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So it's like a Highway bass except... [quote name='Shire' post='1079496' date='Jan 6 2011, 08:59 AM']no BA bridge and the option of a maple neck[/quote] [quote name='danhkr' post='1079959' date='Jan 6 2011, 03:11 PM']and obviously gloss finished rather than the thin matt finish the HW1's have[/quote] [quote name='dave_bass5' post='1079961' date='Jan 6 2011, 03:15 PM']and no graphite reinforced neck either,[/quote] [quote name='Hutton' post='1080234' date='Jan 6 2011, 06:32 PM']was the finish on HW1 instruments not nitrocellulose? The finish on these new basses is urethane.[/quote] ...so apart from those differences what have Fender ever done for us?

A true gent and man of his word, I'd have no problem recommending Luke as a guy to deal with. Despite the weather and banks conspiring against us Luke went out of his way to sort the purchase of his cab out inc reorganising a courier collection because the courier couldn't collect on the agreed date. Hope to deal with Luke again in 2011.

I'd tend to agree that it is a duff lead as there is no apparent reason why it shouldn't have worked.

Are we talking single or multiple driver cabs? As has been pointed out it is a nominal impedance (though I agree why not put 4ohms on the back of a cab if it contains ONE driver that is stamped 4ohm). I recall that when several companies were bringing out cabs in the not too distant past, with drivers in multiples of threes (3x10 6x10 etc), that they were badged on the back as 4 or 8 ohm cabs yet when checked internally they were found to be wired to 3ohms or 6ohms... but nobody wants to be trying to work to 3/6ohms so they patently rounded to what we bassists know best!

[quote name='BassBod' post='1079033' date='Jan 5 2011, 07:22 PM']Yep - but I didn't find out until a few years later when I sold the cabs on...and one got damaged by a courier. The new owner (here on BC a few weeks ago) took the original driver out, and it was clearly labelled 4 ohm, despite the cab being marked externally as 8 ohm. I have no idea if they still do that..or why they did it (on the CXL series). I replaced the Eden with a EA500, but it was rated to run down to 2ohms anyway. Never even got warm. All I can suggest is look at the speaker inside your cab for makers info..or ask EA?[/quote] Hang on though... If it contains TWO 4ohm drivers then it is perfectly feasible that the cab was 8ohms! It just depends how they are wired but x2 4ohm drivers can be wired to 2ohms OR 8ohms.

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Sad indeed, I'm sure condolences to his family will be offered by all!

I couldn't argue with your hypothesis that there may be some link but most amps that I've owned haven't followed the doubling of power for the halving of impedance; it's been closer to, half impedance - power up by approx 50% i.e. 500w @ 8ohms / 750w @ 4ohms. 260w @ 8ohms / 400w @ 4ohms. 170w @ 8ohms / 250w @ 4ohms etc. In fact I can't think of a single amp that I've tried or owned that does the near double.

[quote name='essexbasscat' post='1077662' date='Jan 4 2011, 06:49 PM']It wasn't a typo - I did mean a pair of DB112's, but one of them being an NT neo model. I just wondered if the DB112 NT offered more of the Hi-Fi sound than a standard DB 112 cab. If that is the case, the straight/neo combination could be an interesting. I do remember someone down this way had the DB 112 /DB112NT combination and a few others said it worked quite well. Wonder if they are still around ?[/quote] I think (and historically it has been known for me to be wrong) that NT simply stands for [b]N[/b]o [b]T[/b]weeter! I have a DB12 and a DB12NT and there is no discernible difference in weight but the NT is sans tweeter. <Hang on a minute> Quick check on the Aguilar seems to confirm this; I don't think you can get a Neo equipped DB cab.

Not sure where you are based (I'm in the NE) but I have a nearly new Yamaha PA (inc stands for speakers and mics + 2 mics) which is a 250w 6 channel mixer amp with matched 1x12 trapezoid speakers, that is available. It'll not take the whole band but as a vocal only system for small/medium pubs it is fine and will double as a monitor system when/if you upgrade. Just an offer if need be!

TBH if you have a disciplined band playing with gear at the kind of volume you used to play at when you had your old PA then you can get away with not much more than you used to have BUT in practice that rarely happens! We gigged 20 years ago with a basic pair of full range 15 Peavey Hi-Sys cabs, 1k power amp and 12 channel desk (+ effects unit) and that did us very nicely for all of our pub gigs up till about 2 years ago when we decided we wanted to go light weight and moved onto powered speakers (RCF). We sold our old system for a total of £350 (desk and power amp had been upgraded/replaced in the last few years) and it was all still perfectly useable and adequate... we just wanted bigger and better. Our upgrade cost us approx £2k (used) to get what we wanted but we know have an easily transported system that clocks in at just over 2k watts. From the above you can see that buying a perfectly adequate 1k rig is easily achievable for £500 but you need to accept that you'll be using weighty equipment.

[b]1. Are Aguilar cabs more suited to producing the more rounded vintage type sounds than the EBS Neo cabs ? I suspect this is the case, but I'd like to hear the thoughts of others that have already walked this path. There's got to be a few out there. [/b] I'm ready to get shot down on this but I would say YES! I've owned the EBS Neo 2x12 and I've owned various other Neo cabs inc. 2x10, 1x15 and 6x10 and regardless of the fact they were different manufacturers, driver sizes and cab designs the Neo driver equipped cabs had an inherent tone that was more prominent, Hi-Fi, mid-biased. Now I know that it has been said time and again that the driver magnet material (Neo) has no effect whatsoever on the tone, well in that case I have to say that the cab designs for all these Neo cabs was such that the tone on all of them was different to any ceramic magnet driver cab that I tried. At the end of the day I bought and sold a multitude of very good Neo cabs not because they were rubbish but the tone wasn't what I wanted and as soon as I ran through the DB12's I knew that was the sound I was after; fuller and fatter... maybe the diet that Neo's go on makes them thinner in tone! [b]2. What circumstances prevail to encourage people to choose the DB cabs instead of the GS cabs ?[/b] The DBs were available used when I was looking! I've tried the DBs and the GSs side by side and they have a different sound, one not better than the other just different and my preference was for the DB [b]3. What advantages (other than weight) does the DB112 / DB112 NT combo give compared to 2 x DB112 ?[/b] Is your question a spelling error/typo? Do you mean x2 DB12 versus x1 DB212 Modular set up? If so I've never tried a 2x12 against the pair of 1x12 but if the 2x12 was a 4 ohm cab then I've no reason to think it wouldn't be as good/better than the pair of 1x12. I will add the caveat that a pair of DB112's are greater than the sum of the parts; pair up a couple of DB or GS 1x12s and they sound so much 'more' than just two cabs added together. I've started stacking my DB12 on their edge (maybe pics to follow) and putting foam between so that you can get the drivers up higher (and the horn if you have a horn equipped cab), I'd say that is one benefit over a single 2x12 standing on the floor much lower than ear height!

I personally don't think that throwing more power at your present cab is going to give you more perceived volume. I'd be going down the route of another cab or as you indicate space is a problem, then a pair of smaller cabs or a single cab that will do both jobs... I'd stick with a modular, small cab approach!

[quote name='bigthumb' post='1075802' date='Jan 2 2011, 09:54 PM']Ex Warwickhunt stable![/quote] How many times will I be required to see that statement before I stop selling basses? [quote name='bigthumb' post='1075802' date='Jan 2 2011, 09:54 PM']Would still kill for his fretless![/quote] No need to kill... there are other ways to acquire it's twin... DOH! what have I just said!

Is that a special casing for the Ashdown or do they all come like that? Looks very Ampeg flip-top.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1075484' date='Jan 2 2011, 05:10 PM']I think they are virtually the same, OR, you may see a little more omph from the DB212. This is something I looked into when I bought the ones Higgie now has, and my 4 ohm DB212. Yep, if we are talking one DB212 8 ohm, then maybe the DB112 x 2 will out perform it, BUT, I think if we are talking the single 4 ohm DB212, then because its a single large box, you get a huge sound. Something to do with total internal space actually being in one box, but that might just be talkbass nonsense. Either way, two DB212s is just amazing. I wish I could still have both but space became a premium.[/quote] Yes the internal capacity of the 2x12 is greater than the pair of 1x12 combined but as you rightly indicate I was speaking of the pair of 8's = 4ohm v single 8 ohm. Added to which I've started (with some help from some hard PC packing foam) stacking my 1x12's on their edge, thus the whole stack is significantly taller (especially on my Gramma Pad) and thus the drivers are stacked vertically a bit better than either the trad way of doing singles or than the 2x12. Hence if most gigs are accomplished with a single DB212 then I personally would have thought that a pair of DB112 would cope admirably. I gig in a 6 piece 'Southern Boogie' Rock band with a pair (sometimes 3 when the keys player moves to guitar) of guitarists and one of them uses a Fender twin, which gets pretty damn loud but my 112's do fine without ever getting near maxing out. In fact I prefer the DB12's getting pushed with a bit of power as they start to fatten up nicely! I'm simply baffled as to which gig, with no PA support, where you would need a pair of DB212's. I can only imagine that would be silly loud when paired with a DB750. Only IMHO but I think awesome as it looks it is as much about GAS and pose... I should know I gigged a pair of EBS Neo 212's but then they were absolute featherweights to lug around. Saying all of that if I was young, fit (no recurring shoulder injuries) and carefree I might well stick a pair of DB2x12's up just for the hell of it.

[quote name='Higgie' post='1075295' date='Jan 2 2011, 01:48 PM']I used to use the AG500 with a DB112/DB112NT setup, but found it wasn't loud enough for my band (I didn't have PA support and my guitarist, well, is a guitarist...) so I've stepped it up to a DB750 and 2 8ohm DB212's. I mainly only need one cab, but for the bigger gigs I take both. I've never been happier with my sound, and a single 8ohm 212 will easily put out enough watts for most gigs. Your mileage may vary depending on the size of the venues you're playing, but if you need to go any louder than that, you'll most likely have PA support anyway so...It's up to you! But for my money, you can't go wrong with a couple of 2x12's - Gives you the option of splitting if you need to, rather than having something like an 8x10. Hope that helps! PS. My Dad used to go to the Bass Centre when it was in Wapping so you probably served him a few times![/quote] What size venues do you play without PA support? Your 8ohm 212 doesn't put out any watts and I'm confident that a pair of DB12's would outperform a single DB2x12... sounds like GAS justification to me!

[quote name='Nickytwister' post='1075242' date='Jan 2 2011, 01:03 PM']John, they're both horned models - I'm not really a tweeter fan but a little bit's perfect. I won't be selling them though! Cheers Skej![/quote] Mine is one tweeter one sans and I only have the tweeter on 50%, then again even on full you never get too much sizzle.

[quote name='Jigster' post='1075221' date='Jan 2 2011, 12:46 PM']OFOF??[/quote] One Finger One Fret

[quote name='Nickytwister' post='1075179' date='Jan 2 2011, 12:13 PM']Hey guys, Just to let y'all know, last week I picked up a pair of used Chocolate Brown DB112s with covers from a good mate; I'm very pleased with them already! Thanks for all your help and advice. Happy New Year! Nick x[/quote] Excellent choice (from a DB12 user ), did you get one of the cabs with horn or are they both sans horn? Oh and if they aren't to your taste give me a shout as I like the look of the choccie ones... a tart, Moi!