admiralchew

I forgot about the MXR! I think that’s one of the best and better as a flanger than a chorus. It looks nice too. Great song and great tone.

I really like flangers on bass. I’m currently shifting between an ADA PBF Flanger and a Southampton Utility Knife. I know you’re on the lookout for the former (it took me a while to find but they periodically pop up around the £200-250 mark - good luck In snagging one too!) and it is good. It’s got quite range to it (which can make it a little challenging to dial-in) although, perhaps oddly, I often prefer it in guitar mode to bass mode. The Utility Knife is also excellent, having had design input from Josh Broughton from Broughton Audio, but is also unfortunately tricky to find. I’ve also really liked using the Empress Nebulus, which gets into a similar place as the above but the form factor is a little less attractive, and the Jam Ripply Fall. The one that has got the most use though is the Boss. I think Justin Chancellor still uses a Boss flanger and I can’t think of anyone who uses it more effectively than him!

Awesome! I’m interested to hear how this works out. I picked up a Nomad recently and have been impressed. The finish on the pedal looks great!

Good points. I think the cost of living crisis may push more people who have Wals (and who didn’t pay £12k) to sell them so supply may increase some. I think demand will stay pretty constant though (as you say, those in the market to buy at those prices won’t be affected). Good point about the US. A lot of Wals were already going there.

Well, it took me nine months but I’ve tracked down a Crazy Tube Circuits Locomotive! It seems they were discontinued as soon as I expressed an interest in getting one so getting hold of a reasonably priced one was tricky. I ended up picking a new one up from a shop in Athens. I’ve not used it much yet as I’m moving house and almost everything is in a box but it’s got a good amount of drive in it and I like how it thickens up my sound. I’m still on the hunt for a Cog T-70 and R-1 though! 2023 is meant to be a year for saving so I’ll watch this thread with caution!

I’ll add that I guess if the cost of living crisis really ramps up and the market is flooded with Wals, used prices will go down. However, absent that downward pressure, supply is looking likely to lag demand and there would be little reason for prices to drop.

In the last couple of months I’ve seen around a dozen MkIs for sale. About half were through Bass Bros and Bass Direct and they were priced between £7k and £7.5k. All sold bar one at Bass Bros. There are a couple in the UK on eBay for a bit less but it’s more difficult to ascertain the condition and some interested parties may want the perceived assurance from buying through a shop when paying so much. It does suggest a pretty stable level of pricing (I’m discounting non-UK basses here as import VAT and customs mean they’ll be in a price bracket of their own). This makes sense against the background of Wal basses starting around the £7k mark for a new one (I think, based on posts I’ve read elsewhere); even if you are lucky enough to get on the list and are happy to wait four years from then, you’re unlikely to get one cheaper from Wal. So if you really want a Wal, that’s around the starting price unless you get a good deal from someone that paid less for theirs inflation-adjusted and is happy to share their luck. MkIIs are different because there are fewer for sale and seen less often. A new one is priced similarly to a new MkI, I gather, so the asking prices for those of around £9k-£9.5k include a rarity premium. If you want a Wal because of Justin Chancellor then maybe you’d be willing to pay the extra. Also, if you really want a MkII and there aren’t many in the market, then a scarcity thought process may also be that if you don’t buy one of the few now you’ll never see one and never be able to order one if Wal stop taking orders. That may be a cost that someone is happy to pay, particularly if the risk and wait times can be mitigated by paying 20% more against current new prices (or maybe a lower percentage when weighed against the price that would be paid when placing a new order in a year if inflation continues to bite). MkIIIs are similar to MkIIs in that they are seen less rarely. The MKIII fretless 6 at the Bass Gallery is a rarer beast altogether though as six strings hardly ever come up. I’ve only seen that one for sale. If someone really wants a six string Wal, I think that’s the only one for purchase anywhere other than the private market. Given the alternative is waiting for perhaps five years and paying whatever the asking price of a new Wal is then, then £12.5k, while a lot of money for any object, begins to make a bit more sense. I’m not sure collusion is the reason that prices are so high, at least in the case of Wals generally, I just think that current levels of supply and demand and pricing at the workshop have had a real impact. I agree though that, absent continuous inflation, prices aren’t predetermined to forever go up: I suspect some of the demand is driven by fans of Justin Chancellor but, like with other basses, as fans get older and stop playing, demand will drop for basses like his.

There’s another black MkII for a similar price on Reverb too.

It’s worth messaging them to ask. Guillaume was very responsive and kind with his time (he was answering questions such as “can you make my cat please?” after all).

Yeah, I’m definitely happy with it, and not just for the looks. I’ve been on a bit of a drone/doom journey and this has plenty of dirt. The mix knob makes it quite girthy and then the octave up makes it like an all-encompassing wall of noise. The boost then just gives it something a bit extra, a sparkle perhaps, if something so heavy can sparkle. If I recall correctly, it’s based on a 2019 Guptech design, the Death By Unicorn, that was fashioned after the Life Pedal v2. I’ve not played the v2 but the v3 is stellar. I’m in the process of moving so I’ve not had as much chance as I’d like to explore the A(((ole)))‘s but I like it. I haven’t yet been able to dial in a v3 sound but I’m assuming it’s close to the v2 as it’s in the same ballpark. I’m currently preferring it without a cabsim.

You do make a very compelling point.

I very rarely do new pedal day posts but I think the circumstances justify it here. Last week I received a package from Guptech containing the Bass Edition of their A(((ole))) / Death By Unicorn Reedition ‘22 that my partner gave me for Christmas. The pedal itself is a take on the Life Pedal and a good one at that. The EQD Sunn O))) Life Pedal v3 was one of my favourite pedals of 2022 and there’s a lot of overlap here. The architecture is similar, being a heavy distortion/octave/boost, albeit the A(((ole))) has a clean blend between the distortion/octave and the clean signal. I love the Life Pedal through a cab sim, it absolutely crushes, but I prefer to use the A(((ole))) without a cab sim. The reason that I’m so excited though is that the very kind folks at Guptech adapted their usual cover art from this: To this: Because: This is Ampigalei, my partner’s Greek cat. Given the pedal is usual called the A(((ole))) it seemed too fitting, with this being the result: I wanted to say a big thank you to Guillaume and Emilie at Guptech, particularly the latter for cutting the vinyl to so perfectly recreate Ampigalei. They’ve been a pleasure to deal with and I’d recommend them highly.

A similar thing is happening with Noble Pres. As soon as one is delivered it is worth more because there’s a year long wait or a big up-charge to get one in six weeks. Like basses with long wait times, some of it is the impatience factor. I suppose basses are a bit different though as Nobles all work the same way whereas someone after a bass may want different woods or finishes that can’t be had from Reverb and the like.

In addition to vintage/quasi-vintage instruments, it’s possibly also worth noting how much other basses have gone up in the same period. I ordered a StingRay HH in 2021 which was 50% more expensive than the store was selling it for in 2019 and was being sold by the same store for £200 more by the time mine arrived. I wouldn’t say Wals are common, even if they can be found for sale. I’ve only seen a couple of MkIIIs and MkIIs for sale. MkIs I see much more often. I know historically though that they’ve had periods where they could be picked up easily. I think some are looking for Wal and Pete made basses too, with both having sadly passed away. Paul isn’t making many and those who have one won’t part with it other than for a top price because they know how hard getting a new one will be. These things may be fashion-related too though and an expensive bass today may be difficult to give away in future. In my case, I’m just grateful to the BCer who sold me the bass for a fair price.

I actually bought a lovely Wal bass from a fellow BCer just before Christmas and hope to do an NBD post soon. A Wal was my holy grail bass and I’ve not been disappointed. As @bloke_zero says, Wal basses are specific bits of kit. I’ve been after the Wal tone and nothing else has really given me that. I think prices have gone up because they can’t be ordered and, even if a bass could be ordered, delivery would be 2027ish. I also think that there’s a generation players that grew up listening to Geddy Lee and Justin Chancellor’s Wal tones that have hit that point in their lives where they may have a bit more disposable income. I’d just sold my flat and figured I wouldn’t be this liquid again for a while. these factors possibly make the current pricing a blip. I should say though, five Wal basses came up for sale on Bass Direct and Bass Bros over the Christmas period priced around the £7k-£7.5k mark, with all but one selling. This suggests that The Bass Gallery six string is right at the top of the market in terms of price but I’ve not seen a fretless six for sale and I’ve been watching a while. I didn’t pay anywhere near £12.5k. Don’t get me wrong, it was expensive and is my most expensive bass, but to me it has been worth it. I understand why people baulk at the prices though, particularly as there are so many good basses out there to be had at a tenth or twentieth of the price.

I may be incorrect but it’s my understanding that there isn’t currently a way to order a Wal bass. There is a waitlist for making new orders and, according to another forum, the build time for those most recently ordered is four years, with starting prices north of £7k. This, and the rarity of six string Wals, may explain why The Bass Gallery thought they could charge £12.5k.

With the 1 November batch he said more were coming soon. They arrived on 1 December but there’s been nothing to say there will be another T-16 batch I’m aware of. However, I’m really hoping for more Cog pedals in the future and just happy he’s back building. Tom has made some of my absolute favourite pedals.

The OBNE Procession reverb and flanger is nicely beige (with Dune graphics) and is a great pedal too. Moose Electronics have a lovely ebony Sundrive which I would be grateful if somebody could buy before I’m tempted.