TimR

[quote name='vinorange' timestamp='1480410981' post='3184066'] Well the collar of the socket does sit proud of the nut and does seem to stop the jack seating home properly - but the PW jack does seem slightly shorter than some of my others. The proud collar would exacerbate that. I was considering a gentle trim of the socket collar to allow the jack to go in slightly deeper. It may be all I need to do to avoid any change of cable / socket.............I wonder if I should try that first with my dremel or a hack saw. [/quote] I wasn't suggesting trimming it, just making sure that it was all assembled correctly. But you still haven't answered whether it's a new or a second hand amp. If it's new SEND IT BACK!

Another thing I've thought of; is the collar or nut on the socket done up properly? If it's proud this could stop the plugs being pushed all the way in so the spring clip doesn't actually go over the tip and lock the plug in. Worth checking? .

So it was spitting the Jack out before you used planet waves cable? Is the amp second hand? If not, send it back, that should not be happening.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1480329777' post='3183325'] Well, I'd reply that those are quite extremes of the spectrum, just the same. My snares are a Camco 14x5.5 maple, a Tama 14x6.5 Maple and a Tame 14x6.5 steel. To me, they're very different; to most, in a band context, I doubt if they could be distinguished, as I'd be adjusting the playing to suit the song. A different 'ring', different dynamiques, different 'voices', but just a snare in the mix, especially if mic'ed. Still, I take the general point. Maybe I should start taking my collection of cymbals, too..? My Paistes are well different from my Sabians, or Meinls. Who'd know what I had mounted at any one time..? What does your drummer use..? Could you tell from listening alone..? Are they just for display..? After all, many great drummers got by with a pair of hats and a crash-ride. What are the others for..? Spare..?Showing off..? Maybe. [/quote] My son has just taken up drums. The difference between cymbals is marked and you get what you pay for. He has his eye on £800 worth of hand made Turkish hi-hat, crash and ride cymbals. They do sound awesome...

The worst gig I went to, but wasn't performing, was when I went to see my brother play. About an hours drive, arrived to find the pub had shut down and was boarded up. Days before mobile phones. Apparantly the band had turned up two hours earlier to find the place boarded up and a steady stream of fans had turned up throughout the evening and one by one turned round and went back home. Due to the general flakiness of band organisation, no one thought to put a note on the door to say everyone had gone to xxxx for a pint and meet there. All round confusion and a wasted Saturday night.

It's the instrument cable not the speaker cable. The planet waves plug has bent the internal spring contact. It then works its way loose because the contact isn't doing the job of holding it in. Smaller plugs last longer but are still vibrating loose. The only solution is take the amp apart and change the socket It always looks like a big job but all the internal wiring loom will be on plugs. .

[quote name='vinorange' timestamp='1480290029' post='3183190'] I'll give that a go but having just tested different cables my older ones stay in the socket a little better than the planet wave cables. It's the vibration that spits the cable out so I'm not sure tying through the cab handle would do it. Gaffa tape may do it. Just a pity you can't get something that goes behind the socket nut and loops over your jack - that would do the job. [/quote] The problem is, once you've bent the tag inside te socket using the Panetwave plug, all of the others will be a slack fit. Replacing the socket is a quick simple job for someone who knows what they're doing with a soldering iron.

Planet Wave cables are notorious for having jacks slightly larger than standard. Change the cable.

[quote name='darkandrew' timestamp='1480285435' post='3183144'] If it's a convention that the strings go sequentially low to high, then why don't ukuleles follow the same rules? [/quote] According to Wikipedia they do. The only exception is the bass ukulele that uses re-entrant tuning with the bottom string tuned up an octave to avoid the problems you get with a low G while still maintaining the ability to play close harmony chords. .

I suspect that has a lot more to do with the length of the fretboard.

[quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1480283581' post='3183123'] They're not opposite, I think you're just getting confused as to what "left" and "right" is, because they are not well defined because when you look at an instrument from different angles, it could be interpreted differently. If you are turning your head to look at the bass during playing it, its an odd position/posture you've found youself in if you can see the E string on the left!!! [/quote] No it's not. If I look at the fingerboard at the nut the E is on the left the G is on the right.

Yes. They're a bit tricky in that respect but you get used to it. The other thing with a violin is you don't play 'one finger one fret', I know they don't have frets but you don't finger chromatically like you do on a bass or a guitar. Some fingers are placed close to each other some with gaps for the notes not being played in the scale. Does that make sense?

[quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1480277285' post='3183053'] I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Its clumsy to try to define the strings as going left-right on violin/viola/guitar/bass guitar, and if you take the position of the cello/double bass strings as the player sees them, then its rightmost string=lowest string. [/quote] You can't have the strings opposite on a cello and bass to how they are on a violin and viola. It would be impossible to move from one instrument to the other. Sometime around 1600, everything was standardised. Cellos and basses are just bigger versions of violas and violins. If you can play one you can play the other. They could equally have standardised the other way round. But they didn't. When I turn my head to look at the headstock and fretboard on my bass; the E string is on the left and the G is on the right. .

[quote name='paul_c2' timestamp='1480275695' post='3183039'] Except its not true. 1) the horizontal position of the guitar, bass guitar, violin and viola means that there is no "left" and "right" strings. 2) the string instruments played upright (cello and double bass) have their lowest string on the right, as the player sees it, which is the opposite direction to a piano as the player sees it. [/quote] Stick a violin or viola under your chin. Which way are the strings? Turn the violin round so it's a guitar or double bass, the strings have to be in the same position or your fingering all goes to pot.

[quote name='ras52' timestamp='1480273193' post='3183018'] No, lefties just play like this: [/quote] And as it's Panto season...

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1480272218' post='3183007'] Except the left handed piano. [/quote] They're only for apprentice piano tuners.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1480268338' post='3182952'] Sure, but the 1st thing I'd do is see what gtrs they are running as to how they themselves approach it. You know you have trouble looming when you see them both rocking twim humbuckers, for example. But as always, it is more how they approach things and it is more an issue when they both have to play 'everything'... I like gtrs who know that they can drop out of the track... [/quote] Yes they tried to convince me that the two guitars sounded different. Which to be fair, they did, but everything just morphed into one hash of noise. Yes. They both played everything. In fact in some tunes one of them played everything and more. On some occasions he 'helped me' by adding extra root notes. .

My opinion of them is founded in the 80s when they picked up local cab firms and at pro theatres with Sure pro wireless microphones ££££. I'm guessing technology has really moved on in the last few years and it may be time to look at them again. I suspect pros don't have a lot of time for experimenting. They stick with what works and unless there is a real need to change then if it ain't broke; don't fix it.

Convention. Every stringed instrument, even the piano, goes from low to high, left to right.

Most of the professionals I know own more than one instrument. They may not take them to gigs but they do own a backup. Occasionally a drunk brass player will leave their trombone on a night bus. They'll get up the next morning, head off and spend the day teaching using their spare and then pick up the 'found' trombone from Baker Street on their way to whatever West End show they're playing that night. There are hundreds of reasons to have a spare instrument, or at least a way of getting hold of one in an emergency. Instruments get broken, lost, stolen. Just because it's never happened to you, doesn't mean it doesn't ever happen or will never happen. A £100 spare bass takes up no room and means in an emergency the gig doesn't have to be abandoned.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1480248494' post='3182741'] That is reasonable, but I'd far rather keys than a 2nd gtr.... I find 2 gtr bands 'can' be quite one dimensional altho that is more down to the player than the 2 gtr idea. At a local level, mostly it doesn't stand-out.... depends on the gtrs and set-up, of course. 3 pieces..?? [/quote] It's down to sloppy arrangements mainly. I joined a band where both guitarists just played the same thing. Although they didn't. They were both so slightly different that it sounded terrible. If one was slightly out of tune it was pitiful. We did a lot of work on arrangements got them playing different parts. It sounded 100% better.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1480252910' post='3182779'] It's weird how you see on threads like this, about taking spare basses and amps etc, often citing the 'professionalism' of it. I'm a professional musician. I only own one bass, albeit it a very nice one, I also own just one amp. Everyone I play with is either a pro or semi-pro, and with the exception of the sax players I play with, they all just take one instrument along. Most times there's not room for spare stuff. I own one instrument that's well cared for and maintained. I did a solo bass gig on Friday, one bass, one amp, one ebow, one MacBook etc 😊. [/quote] Yes. I was like that for years. You only need one failure and it'll change your mind for life. I have one bass on stage. The other one is hidden away in a case wherever it'll fit. I suppose if you have a big network of people to call on, if you have a major fail, someone local might be able to pop along. Our guitarist forgot the PA speaker stands at one gig. A quick phone call to a mate who happened to live in the same town and we had stands within 30mins.

[quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1480194876' post='3182488'] In all my years gigging I've never had anything fail or break on me. There, I've jinxed it now, next gig it'll all go wrong... [/quote] Yep. The only time I've ever had a catastrophic bass failure was when a singer asked me, at the practice before a gig, if I wanted to borrow his bass as a spare. Up to that point, in 30 years of playing, I'd never even broken a string. Ever since then I have a spare bass. In its case somewhere fairly close by. I can't remember last time I opened the case and don't actually know if the bass is still in it.

Alex seems to like clean. The power amp is advertised as transparent. I'm sure he's staying out of preamp territory as that would colour the sound of the combo and limit the market to people who like the sound of that preamp. Possibly.

Now that someone has mentioned taking a spare bass; you know what will happen if you don't.