TimR

All this is assuming the 'stand in guy', is interested in gigging one song every hundred years and can produce etc. If they still want you for your other talents but don't want you as a bass player that frees you up to play in other bands while you arrange and produce this project. If you're that good, you might want to think closely in what they're paying you. Wake-up call? .

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1481569116' post='3193367'] I suspect most of their profit was made on bottled drinks sold via the big super markets anyway? [/quote] No. Bottled drinks are expensive to produce and transport. They can brew beer at pennies a pint.

Don't worry about what the individual pubs make for the landlord. Look at the what the breweries are making and realise why they sub the landlord for the band.

[quote name='mrtcat' timestamp='1481465467' post='3192447'] We don't usually play pubs and generally stick to function work. We have an agent that occasionally contacts us to see if we are available for the odd short notice pub gig. They know that, if we do it, we will only be the 4 core members and that £400 is minimum fee. We replace keys with backing tracks on some songs and we all sing. So far we've had 26 of these gigs this year. Most are Thursday or the odd Friday nights and are just at regular pubs. We get £400 - £500 a time. There's no way the pub covers costs but they just keep coming. Whenever we've asked the landlords how they make it pay they just say that the brewery subsidises. Can't understand the business logic myself but is nice to have these little low pressure bookings to supplement our other work. [/quote] Greene King announced pre-tax profits of £189m in May this year with £2.1bn revenue. That's just one brewer. Make your own conclusions but my theory is they don't trust landlords very much. Kids and sweetshops. There's lots of money there, it's just kept out of the reach of certain people

I met Len_Derby and his wife in a car park once.

I just assumed all the threads were bass players I'd never heard of.

I started packing down once and as I unplugged a mic (the PA was live playing disco music) there was a huge pop. I looked over to the desk to find some idiot playing with the faders. I went over and asked him what he thought he was doing but he was too drunk to answer but his mate said "It's ok, he knows what he's doing, he plays in a band."

Too loud maybe? Offer to do an acoustic setup.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1480949951' post='3188300'] We played a wedding in Richmond park a few years ago. After the first set we went outside for some fresh air. Came back to find a "new" band posing for photos. The had asked the singer and he said it was ok (without tell us) but the rest of us all had different reactions. My guitarist hit the roof and was almost crying that soemone had his guitar, my drummer got the hump because soemone had adjusted his cymbals, and i grabbed my camera and thought it was a great photo opportunity lol. Bride, groom and Best man [url=https://flic.kr/p/cptj6C][/url][url=https://flic.kr/p/cptj6C] Janine rocking out[/url] by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/davebass5/]Dave Pearce[/url], on Flickr On a much more serious note, the worst audiences we have played to are your farmers. These dickheads think they won you and your gear while you are there and dont hesitate to rearrange anything they, and their small minded drunk mates can think off. We had one twat try and walk down the venue carrying one of our PA speakers DURING a gig, because he thought it would be a great laugh putting it on his table. [/quote] That's a superb publicity photo. Not sure I'd be too upset about that. Depends how cack handed they were.

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1480877414' post='3187766'] As a classical musician I've never liked typical audiences for classical music, but reading this I may have to reconsider. At least they were never drunk, and they wouldn't wreck the instruments or the stage. [/quote] Have you never played at last night of the proms?

[quote name='mike257' timestamp='1480816324' post='3187338'] Of course, we've yet to solve the trickiest question on this subject... Exactly what does one do with oneself during verses of Alright Now? [/quote] Cowbell. You can never have too much cowbell.

You got paid for doing a [b]Christams party[/b] for [b]care workers[/b]. I bet you even mic'ed up the bass drum. And you wouldn't even let them have a go on your instruments. You're a bloody mercenary Pete. That's what you are. That's for sure. .

We play a venue where the entrance is a corridor onto the side of the 'stage' area. My amp is right next to this coridoor. The last two gigs I've had people put their drinks on top of my stack and lean against it. The first time the stack started to move and topple over. I stopped playing several times to get him to move away only for him to come back again. The second time I noticed all the resonance had gone from the cab and turned around to see what had gone wrong only to find someone leaning on the top. What's wrong with people? If it's not yours don't touch it. Blame it on drink. .

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1480582795' post='3185530'] Some very good ideas there BUT don't try some of them unless you've gone wireless. Tying your legs together with your own lead and falling face first into the drum kit is not a good look. I feel I should also point out that crashing your headstock into the mic stand (twice) is not good stagecraft. [/quote] It's ok as long as you don't do a comple 360. Also note when he talks about barriers between you and the audience. (Music stands anyone...) .

I watched this a few weeks ago. It's pretty good and common sense for stage craft. I've implemented quite a bit of it. No dancing required, just some basic ideas. http://youtu.be/eizWNzpcFvU

I'd read the thread again Chris. It happens with all cables. They're not getting pulled out, they're sliding out on their own accord "due to the amp vibrating". The Planet Waves one is worse. If the tip contact has lost its spring it won't latch down behind the tip and the jack will not be held into the socket. It happens with all plugs in that socket but doesn't happen with those plugs in other sockets. Therefore the problem is that socket. It's not difficult to diagnose. .

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1480416530' post='3184136'] It's not new, the 750's were superseded by the 800's a few years ago and "back" is somewhere near Chicago. [/quote] Ok. Sounds like the Jack has probably worn over the years then. Just replace it.

[quote name='vinorange' timestamp='1480410981' post='3184066'] Well the collar of the socket does sit proud of the nut and does seem to stop the jack seating home properly - but the PW jack does seem slightly shorter than some of my others. The proud collar would exacerbate that. I was considering a gentle trim of the socket collar to allow the jack to go in slightly deeper. It may be all I need to do to avoid any change of cable / socket.............I wonder if I should try that first with my dremel or a hack saw. [/quote] I wasn't suggesting trimming it, just making sure that it was all assembled correctly. But you still haven't answered whether it's a new or a second hand amp. If it's new SEND IT BACK!

Another thing I've thought of; is the collar or nut on the socket done up properly? If it's proud this could stop the plugs being pushed all the way in so the spring clip doesn't actually go over the tip and lock the plug in. Worth checking? .

So it was spitting the Jack out before you used planet waves cable? Is the amp second hand? If not, send it back, that should not be happening.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1480329777' post='3183325'] Well, I'd reply that those are quite extremes of the spectrum, just the same. My snares are a Camco 14x5.5 maple, a Tama 14x6.5 Maple and a Tame 14x6.5 steel. To me, they're very different; to most, in a band context, I doubt if they could be distinguished, as I'd be adjusting the playing to suit the song. A different 'ring', different dynamiques, different 'voices', but just a snare in the mix, especially if mic'ed. Still, I take the general point. Maybe I should start taking my collection of cymbals, too..? My Paistes are well different from my Sabians, or Meinls. Who'd know what I had mounted at any one time..? What does your drummer use..? Could you tell from listening alone..? Are they just for display..? After all, many great drummers got by with a pair of hats and a crash-ride. What are the others for..? Spare..?Showing off..? Maybe. [/quote] My son has just taken up drums. The difference between cymbals is marked and you get what you pay for. He has his eye on £800 worth of hand made Turkish hi-hat, crash and ride cymbals. They do sound awesome...

The worst gig I went to, but wasn't performing, was when I went to see my brother play. About an hours drive, arrived to find the pub had shut down and was boarded up. Days before mobile phones. Apparantly the band had turned up two hours earlier to find the place boarded up and a steady stream of fans had turned up throughout the evening and one by one turned round and went back home. Due to the general flakiness of band organisation, no one thought to put a note on the door to say everyone had gone to xxxx for a pint and meet there. All round confusion and a wasted Saturday night.

It's the instrument cable not the speaker cable. The planet waves plug has bent the internal spring contact. It then works its way loose because the contact isn't doing the job of holding it in. Smaller plugs last longer but are still vibrating loose. The only solution is take the amp apart and change the socket It always looks like a big job but all the internal wiring loom will be on plugs. .

[quote name='vinorange' timestamp='1480290029' post='3183190'] I'll give that a go but having just tested different cables my older ones stay in the socket a little better than the planet wave cables. It's the vibration that spits the cable out so I'm not sure tying through the cab handle would do it. Gaffa tape may do it. Just a pity you can't get something that goes behind the socket nut and loops over your jack - that would do the job. [/quote] The problem is, once you've bent the tag inside te socket using the Panetwave plug, all of the others will be a slack fit. Replacing the socket is a quick simple job for someone who knows what they're doing with a soldering iron.

Planet Wave cables are notorious for having jacks slightly larger than standard. Change the cable.