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[quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1452103928' post='2946472'] If you have worded you question correctly then no, you can't use an input to take a signal out.....if you want to take a line out from the monitor send then yes that will work provided it is not a powered mixer and you are sending a powered signal out [/quote] He's taking it from the "monitor out" on the desk.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1452105024' post='2946493'] Why not pastoriusum after Jaco ? Arguably more inspirational to many, and more inovative. [/quote] I'm not sure he was a mythical character. Which is one of the criteria for naming elements. The only modern mythical characters I can think of are either Lemmy or Chuck Norris.

[quote name='basexperience' timestamp='1452103119' post='2946456'] Good call Lojo. Lemmy was utterly sick of telling people they weren't a metal band! [/quote] He may not have described them as such but Metal wasn't around when they started. Bands like Kiss, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Motörhead where just Rock bands. By the 80s though, they were what we now call metal. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Wave_of_British_Heavy_Metal

[quote name='BassTractor' timestamp='1452091871' post='2946288'] You know, I probably didn't understand the word "recognisable" really well. From the last pages of this thread, I get the impression it's about "many people recognising", whereas I took it to mean something like "so specific that you'd recognise it under any circumstance (given of course that you'd heard the song before)". You Brits are a strange lot, using your own language in a way that you yourselves understand perfectly! [/quote] Yes. Kind of the bass line that the most people in the world would recognise. And not... The bass line in the world that you'd recognise the most. I assume?

As long as it's not a powered output! Line level is fine. The XLR inputs double as 1/4" Jack inputs so you don't need any special cable. (At least they do on the H4)

3. One is in the loft, one stays in it's hard case (I assume it's still there and hasn't been nicked at a gig while I wasn't looking), the other one I play. Always. None of them are Fenders. .

[quote name='Hobbayne' timestamp='1452079343' post='2946112'] I suppose Town Called Malice by The Jam... [/quote] I very much doubt it. Outside of the U.K. Is virtually unknown. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_Called_Malice There's quite a lot of songs being mentioned here that hardly anyone other than bass players in the UK would have heard of.

[quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1452006450' post='2945413'] Supposed to have a final dress rehearsal before gigging , I made it clear this was my only week off in the year so if no one could make it ill go on holiday , everyone put themselves out & the singer doesn't turn up , get a text 4 hours after week packed up saying they had tummy trouble & was only just getting better , Our guitarist had seen him walking down the road 3 hours earlier , I could see he had been on FB until the early hours . what would you do ? [/quote] This kind of thing used to happen to me a lot. Especially when finding gigs. I'd get a gig based on people's diaries only to be told that they'd forgotten to tell me they were going away on that particular date. Now I tend to be a bit more assertive when it comes to my availability. The band is no longer my first concern when booking holidays (it never is for anyone else). Edit: we have a gig in 3 weeks. Our singer bailed on Monday's new year refresher rehearsal on Monday morning. May be gigging having not played together for a couple of months now.

The pros I know don't even rehearse for their day gig. Maybe one initial day long rehearsal but that would be it. "Rehearsing until it's absolutely right." Might be where you're going wrong.

[quote name='Si600' timestamp='1452030520' post='2945787'] We have this discussion when it comes to choosing songs. On our obvious list we've got American Idiot and Pretty Vacant, on the not so obvious list we have Upstarts and Broken Hearts and Los Angeles is Burning. We've not had chance to try it out on a audience yet, I think we good enough to get by but the others aren't so sure, plus we've only got ten songs :-) [/quote] Yes. The band has to be convincing or the audience won't buy it. At JTUK says, if the front man can sell it you're on to a winner.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1452003127' post='2945373'] I always think the audience can be educated by bands...but not enough of them will or are capable of doing it which is why we get the same old stuff. This is my current reoccurring point that pub music/bands don't really help themselves and play too safe. On the flip side of that, they might not have the ability anyway... I don't want to hear the same versions by 10 different bands, myself, ...and after a while most punters will comment on the same thing. If a band plays the same set for 18 months and plays the same town/venues 5-6 times in that period, people will notice...and likely stop going. The easiest thing to do a lot of the times is to mix things up, but bands find this the hardest to do... Compounded by too many bands playing too many venues with the same stuff... [/quote] I'm not sure it isn't a case of the tail wagging the dog. The requests of songs we get asked to play is very depressing. We get a good reaction to tunes that other bands "don't usually play", but we also get a lot of blank looks. If the audience aren't up and dancing and singing there's little point in trying to educate them. They're there to drink and jump up and down. Which is why I suggest getting 6-8 tunes working and gig them and see if the audience are responsive. I've played too many gigs where the band 'don't do the usual stuff' and the audience just stand there tapping their feet and looking blank.

I think the difference here is he is stuck somewhere between originals and a covers band. The songs aren't going to be original, the audience will have heard them before. But they're not going to be the usual covers that people request. So, he won't be playing to people who aren't expecting to know the tunes like you do when you play originals. He will be playing to the "Play something we know" crowd. That's a very hard audience to play 'your favourite' tunes to.

I think you're just trying to run before you can walk. Spend some time learning the names of the notes and the frets. Just on the first 7 frets to start with. Only once you have that off; move onto intervals. Good luck.

Well you've actually just echoed my conclusion (the bit that you didn't quote).

I was at my gran's 80th birthday party. This was the singers excuse on the Monday when he'd completely failed to turn up to his first (and only) gig.

Yes. I think he wants to gig but isn't picking tunes to reflect an established genre or group of people. Just tunes that he hopes will appeal to an audience.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1451904012' post='2944354'] Well, my objective in getting together with other musicians is to try and make some interesting music. That's [i]my[/i] reason, if anyone has others, that's great too ! [/quote] I thought that's what the OP was asking. Getting musicians together to play in a studio is pretty simple really. It's whether you can do that with the aim of gigging but without a specific audience in mind.

[quote name='odysseus' timestamp='1451903089' post='2944345'] It's not snobbery, it's reality. Where I live, we don't expect to get paid for playing original material, so if you want to gig solely original material, you're going to need money from somewhere else to live on.... like a job. So.... there ain't a cut. Mind you, I live at the ass-end of Britain. Maybe things are different in the States. Many people consider the notion that making money off the back of other people's work can be called 'creativity' is stretching the definition of the term 'creativity' to well past its elastic limit. Such are the differences.... *shrug* [/quote] You're still creating something. Regardless whether it's a copy. Doesn't matter how closely you think you're copying the original you'll always be putting your own feel on it. A better word might be 'making'.

I think the title of the thread is misleading. The objective is to gig with good music to an audience. What is different is you're creating a product that you don't know whether there will be a market for. In a business sense it's suicide, although you're not going to be investing hundreds of pounds in it so it's not a massive risk financially and could be well worth it. It's the kind of thing you see on the apprentice. "I want you to create a product from scratch and sell it." It's really backwards thinking. Really you should spot a gap, do some market research, see if there is an audience, then sell. Essentially, I think what I'm saying is; don't invest hours perfecting loads of material. Throw together 6 songs, find a small multi band gig and see what the audience reaction is to it.

[quote name='Leonard Smalls' timestamp='1451896762' post='2944279'] For me, making music is most certainly not about making money. It's about playing stuff that I like and had a hand in inventing. If I get paid as well that's a bonus - though most folks wouldn't fork out to hear my racket! Back in the early 90s we spent years both headlining places like the Marquee, supporting Carter and Gaye Bykers (usually for pay of around £50[i] between us -[/i] the van and roadie cost that!) to audiences of 2000, or playing gigs where virtually no-one turned up. All because we loved it. Shame we didn't make it, but we had a great time - here's a review (contains swearing!) from the Melody Maker: http://www.pushstuff.co.uk/mmlives/barfroco110591.html I'm not saying if we'd been doing covers for functions etc we wouldn't have had such a good time (we wouldn't have lost so much money!) - it's a question of each to their own, what you actually want out of music... [/quote] Spent so much money.

[quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1451832131' post='2943769'] The standard Rock 'n' roll bass line as recorded in hundreds of songs. Easily recognised by just about anyone at all. [/quote] Well. It's certainly recognised as a bass line. Getting someone to agree which song it's from would be a different matter. I'd say for sheer record sales and plays you'd be looking at Billie Jean, Come Together or Money. Probably in that order. It depends whether we're talking 'widely' in terms of geographic or just 'widely' in terms of numbers of people who know it.

The difficulty isn't in getting the gigs. If your band is playing tunes with strong hooks with an attitude and people have heard the songs before you've got a winner. Your main problem will be getting a good singer/frontman on board who can pull it off. Keep your main band running at the same time until your new project gets wings.

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1451577513' post='2941653'] Honestly, i would have told him to f*** off! What a prick! I got up at a jam night once and jammed Sweet Child o mine. It was the first tune I'd learned to play like 20 yrs earlier. I was just jamming on it, put some of my own stuff in but nothing detracting from the line. A guy come up to me and said "Quite good that, I'll show the exact part if you want" I told him to f*** off too! [/quote] Ah yes. "The bass line doesn't go like that." comment. The answer is always "It does when I play it!"

I don't think it matters. I've played in thrash metal bands and classic rock bands. No one has ever said I should add overdrive. In fact most people I've played with love the sound I get. As long as you complement the band you'll be fine. The only problem I've had listening to the Mark Bass gear is it can sound very 'penetrating' and this can get tiring after a while. You don't need to 'cut through' any band with bass, it just needs to be present in the mix.

It's been 10days now. Has it been found? The usual rescoursfullness of Basschat seems to be letting us down. Come on, we found that guy in the waistcoat. How hard can a missing bass be?