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[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1454636808' post='2971622'] I just tried to find the video I was referring to and it doesn't seem to be available now. It was a play along of Elvis Costello's Pump It Up by You Tube user TJH3113. [/quote] Yes I know the song. It's fairly typical in that there's a repeating riff but parts of it are different every time. Rebel Rebel - David Bowie is similar. Each 4th bar is always ever so slightly different. I doubt even the original bass player could replicate it. It's not important as long as they're different otherwise the bass line stagnates. I normally have a song on repeat while doing something else. Usually commuting. Learn it in my head then it's only a matter of refining it when I pick up the bass. Sometimes an easy tune will be right on first play through with the bass and two more will confirm it.

Well sptted. Right next to where all my new personal messages are hidden.

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[quote name='Roger2611' timestamp='1454438783' post='2969780'] I guess I am lucky in that I found a really excellent company to work for, Yes I take as much holiday as I can, I certainly work hard enough for it, I work the hours I need to get my job done, some weeks I will do 60 hours other weeks 30 hours, as long as I get my job done everybody's happy, I don't seek promotion, I like the job I do I do possess a few ties, I am not required to wear one but a smart shirt and tie works for me with the people I deal with being company ceo's and the likes Social media is allowed at work within reason, personally I don't agree with it as I am there to work, when I finish work I can social media to my hearts content Most of my colleagues have been with the company for 20 years plus, bear in mind the company is only 35 years old and operated with a staff level of 3 for the first 5 years. I have worked for some absolutely dreadful companies over the years, I am just lucky I stumbled on an excellent one...I have been approached with better paid offers on 3 occasions now and have turned each one down flat without a moments hesitation, is it a job for life?......Only time will tell but with the finances of the company where they are and the amount of money I save them...I don't see a reason to be looking elsewhere anytime soon [/quote] I don't think it's luck. There are many posters who will tell you straight away that when you go for an audition you're auditioning the band as well. Same goes for an interview. You've worked for some dreadful companies. Why don't you still work for them? It's not rocket science.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1454421528' post='2969562'] ...also, surely this is OT? [/quote] Yes. With heading 'Miserable old gits' thread'

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1454108105' post='2966655'] Cowbell. [/quote] And earplugs.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1454167651' post='2967165'] Sorry, couldn't resist. [/quote] You tease.

Ok. Who put 91-100?

If your drummer is a counter and not a listener; get a new drummer.

[quote name='leschirons' timestamp='1454113863' post='2966701'] It's a hypothetical situation. Lets assume he's playing over the riff to Rocking in the free world then (3 chords Em D C but the trio repeat 8 times) [/quote] It's not hypothetical then. That does and will often happen. If he is playing a rehearsed solo you'll know when it ends. The rest of the band will just comp until he gets there. All guitarists will have a 'tell' at he end of their solo which indicates that the crowd should bow down and worship them or otherwise appreciate their god like qualities and fantastic soloing ability. Just wait for it. It'll be obvious.

Cowbell.

I'm confused. The only way this can happen is if you are playing 8 bars over the same chord. Otherwise you have to go back to the first bar as soon as he starts his solo. Unless he realises and comes in on the second bar and plays the changes with you. This is a situation where your theory comes into play. If you're playing the same chord you just have to watch him for his cue to say he's finished. He'll give the cue subconsciously even if you haven't agreed one. Or am I misunderstanding?

I was only thinking 10-15 seconds max.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1453816550' post='2963005'] Ignoring the fact that it was released in 1979, for me "The Wall" is very much an album that signifies the end of the 70s. Compare and contrast with PiL's "Metal Box" which came out at the same time and was pushing music forward into the new decade. [/quote] That's an interesting take on it considering how well it sold and continues to sell. I don't really think the 80s started producing anything really defining until around 1984.

The Wall No pedantic replies please.

[quote name='roceci' timestamp='1453754797' post='2962529'] Oh I do. They already know the lovely queen is a parasites & it's OK not to believe creation stories when they seem a little far-fetched. I don't think they're ready for the 'as soon as you're born, you're dying' thing yet tho bless em! Anyways, they start their bass lessons soon so may even be replacing their old man on here one day [/quote] Don't forget to teach them Mustang Sally and explain how important it will be to them when their dreams of being famous rock stars have long faded.

You should have shown him the nice new shiny one your wife bought you.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1453729941' post='2962176'] That's a good point. So will our tedious rambling be here for all to see for hundreds of years after we've all bought the farm?? If so, I wish I'd been a bit more circumspect with some of my posts... ah sod it, I won't care after I've thrown a seven, will I? Wrap me in bin liners and chuck me in a wheelie bin. Or perhaps I should get some of that funeral insurance? You know the sort, '...and you will receive a FREE Parker pen when your policy is active...' I can't think of anything more fitting for my friends and family to remember me by than... a biro. Nice! Keep breathing, everyone. [/quote] Occasionally I see an interesting thread and think; this is a bit familiar, didn't we already do this a couple of years back. Then I see a post by myself and realise it's been bumped. Sometimes my posts even seem quite intelligent. Sometimes.

[quote name='bonzodog' timestamp='1453651232' post='2961397'] This happened to us once. We did a 50th and the guy asked us to play some background music inbetween our sets. Knowing what he liked I compiled a 45 min selection of ska songs which complemented our Mod and Northern soul stuff. Only problem is people carried on dancing to the back ground music on the dance floor and I had left lots of gaps inbetween songs as I never thought to mix it properly. Cue lots of people standing around on dance floor waiting for next song to kick in. [/quote] Something to learn from this. You don't need to rush into the next song to keep people up and dancing. If they're in the mood to dance. If they've had enough; they'll sit down. It gives the band and the dancers a slight break. Slight being the operative word Just because the floor clears once doesn't mean you should drop a song from your set.

There is another angle. And one I've been caught with. Where the guitarist has been chatting to his mate and found out it's his 40th and he is having a party. Asks what he is doing about music and suggested that as he plays in a band, he could play at the party instead of getting a disco in. Up to that point the mate was just going to take his stereo in and play a 'mixtape'/iPod playlist that he'd made. Luckily you don't have to provide any music during the break as this 'mixtape' will be used. Unfortunately said 'mixtape' will consist entirely of the mates' favourite tunes from the late 80s and the band will get continually hassled by random guests during their break to put on some decent music as it is automatically assumed it's their mixtape. Although this has only actually happened to me a handful of times. When the drunken host is trying to pull people out of their seats to dance to chas'n'dave on repeat play you kind of give up on humanity. .

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1453556823' post='2960514'] On these lines... If someone asks you to learn the set for a gig...you've got the gig. None of this stand-by stuff.... they pay you because they booked you. If the bass player makes it back from holiday in time and they want him to do the gig, that is ok..but they still pay you because you've put the time in and you have held the date. [/quote] This is the difference between proffesional and semi-pro players. As a semi-pro player I think I would have difficulty in getting money from someone in that scenario. I think a pro would have a much easier time citing lost revenue. They'd also probably make that clear from the outset. It's certainly something I'll make clearer to anyone who asks me to play in future.

[quote name='ubit' timestamp='1453543333' post='2960382'] I say , ask him how much he would pay for five plumbers to come out on a Saturday night! People don't seem to realise the work involved, plus the personal expense. Functions are notoriously hard to play especially as some folk feel you are their captive band and you have to do their bidding without argument. 400 quid sounds reasonable to me, but if you charge 200 for a pub, then maybe go for 250-300 [/quote] Depends what you're getting in return. I've fixed loads of my friends electrics for free. The whole payment thing hinges on how much inconvinience you're going through so that someone else can enjoy themselves. Pub gigs? If you enjoy playing, you turn up, people enjoy it, there's a lot of benefit in kind going on where there's little or no real financial cost. Although today, I've had to go to work at last minute notice, tonight I'm playing a gig. I'll earn all night what I earned just driving into work, before I have even had to use my brain. There's no way a pub could pay me my Saturday day rates. However, tonight's gig has meant I'm a bit more stressed doing the job I get paid for. I was concious that I could possibly be there all day and not make the gig! Now if I was doing a wedding gig, there's no way I could have done my day job and would have lost A LOT of money doing it for mates rates. One of the reasons I don't do weddings. Too many close calls. Getting up at 6am, getting stuck at work and then rushing to a gig and getting into bed at 3am. That's not bragging I don't think I'm taking money from professional musicians either.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1453551113' post='2960447'] No idea how it works with theft, but if you buy a car for example, and it turns out to be stolen, it can be taken from you even if you bought it in good faith. Wouldn't that apply to everything or just cars, or am i also wrong about the car getting repossessed? I really do think that all these cash converter type shops area the biggest fences in Britain [/quote] It works with everything. But as a wrote earlier there's a burden of proof and it depends on how much something is worth and whether you're going to go chasing after something that's very hard to find. All linked together. With a car that's all pretty easy. With the shops I'd hope they have a policy of no questions asked refund. Otherwise they'll just be finding themselves in court all day.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1453472828' post='2959805'] I wonder if professional golfers 'get' this concept..? All that expertise and tuition fees, the cost of your clubs and gloves, the humping to and from the course, the precious time away from family and friends... Who'd do all that for free, and sometimes even in the rain (well, light drizzle, at least...)..? Must be daft, surely..? [/quote] It depends what service you're providing as a hobby golfer. Are you playing against people you wouldn't normally chose to socialise with? Are people coming to watch you play and getting upset when you don't win? Are people buying clubs based on what you're using? Are you getting up at 8:00am every morning to teach someone you don't know and possibly don't like? Are you driving hundreds of miles to play in a tournament while all your mates are off on a weekend jolly somewhere else? There's a point at which your services become more valuable to someone else than the enjoyment you're getting from playing.

Dealing with people and money is always a PITA. I can see why lots of people will do pub gigs for £80 and that's it. And I can see why some will only join established acts that don't have to do the pub gigs and suffer the arguments about being "Better than that". I'm in two camps. I'm happy to do pub gigs and I'm happy to be in a function band. I'm not sure I'm happy to be in a function band that has to do low paid gigs to get a name going. It always ends in arguments. .