TimR

Much as I dislike football I have to understand that more people like it than live music. If it keeps the venue in business, when the punters would just go somewhere else, which means I get paid for another gig on another day then it's all good. We played a party 4 years ago where we started before the rugby, stopped at kick off, played at half time and then played after full time.

Did you rebook? At least it's a decent game and not the bloody football which is on ALL the time!

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1443792530' post='2877754'] I wonder if the woodwind section of the London Philharmonic consider themselves side(wo)men or members of a scratch band ? [/quote] I know the Trombone players do.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1443729047' post='2877296'] I meant, I'm a sideman and I was hired to play bass and sing, not pick or make decisions on material. I don't expect nor do I have any interest in song choice or creative input. That is why, for me , I come up with new bass lines , positions or other things to make songs I don't care for fun. And when I say sideman , I mean guys that play in only 1 band. So my point was or suggestion was aimed at other sideman like me that don't have the interest or the option to can songs. It might be different in the UK, in the States I don't know of any [i]"sideman" [/i]bass players that make decisions on material or any other band decisions. You show up and you play the songs that are called. Blue [/quote] Precisely. Our singer, guitarist and drummer have enough arguments over song choices without me getting involved. Tell me what to play, when, I'll turn up and play it. I chose the band based on exsisting material, I trust the band leader to maintain the direction of the band. I've been the person leading the band and know how disruptive it is when you're trying to take the band in one direction and one or more members are fighting it. Making song suggestions is one thing. Vetoing songs is quite another.

The seller is a liar and a swindler if he actually said how much he thought the amp was worth and then tried to sell it for more. However, if he just said how much he was prepared to pay for the amp and would try to recoup the difference when he sold it, it's a different matter. That, I think, is it in a nutshell. Because all trade is based on trust and if you abuse that trust and are not open, it's unlikely you will trade with that person again. I think if you take a car to a used car salesman, you know what the score is. When you make a 'private' sale on BC, it's a different matter. Maybe there should be something to differentiate between traders and private sellers.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1443646197' post='2876647'] Who are these fuddie buddies of yester year you reference? I'm 62 and I'm not a fuddie duddie. Who are these fuddie duddies? Is that an English thing. I certainly don't know of any, Blue [/quote] He means 20years ago the set of 60year olds grew up on Glen Miller and Vera Lyn. Unlike today's 60year olds. Which may go some way to explain why there are so many bands around still playing all the old Beatles and Stones hits. If you're 20years old, you still have to play old fashioned music though.

I think what you're missing is what he thinks it's worth and what you think it's worth are different things and hence you're coming from different angles. If you thought the bass was worth £500, and the amp £400, and paid him an extra £100. Then you're happy. If he thought the bass was worth £600 and the amp £400 but rather than argue and sour the deal, accepted your valuation. Moves on and tries to get his extra £100 by selling the amp for £500. It's not necessarily being underhand or devious. It's just doing a deal where you both get what you're after. The alternative was possibly for him to do a straight swap, sell the amp for what he paid you for it and lose out on the £200.

He was selling a bass. You were buying a bass. He didn't want the amp, he wanted the money. If you're going to be worried about what happens afterwards then really you should have sold the amp to someone for cash. Which doesn't mean they won't immediately sell it on but makes it less likely. IMO he could be on a loser if you've already tried to sell the amp at a higher price anyway.

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1443601571' post='2876020'] We have overlapping but by no means identical tastes, which does mean that there's a fair amount of variety to the set. A while ago, I played with a club band for the money. Very few of the songs were ones that I would have any desire whatsoever to listen to. In the end, that just wasn't satisfying, although all the members of the band got on well and I still do occasional deps for them, and I moved on (via another couple of bands) to the current band. [/quote] The funny thing for me is once I've learned a tune, I find it very difficult to enjoy listening to it again. I enjoy playing it, just not listening to it on the playlist in the car.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1443517409' post='2875364'] Well, this is where we differ - my only reason for making music is to create good music and enjoy playing it, the financial side has always been a fairly minor consideration. In this case, finding people with a similar musical directions is important. But as I said in my earlier post in this thread, it's an outlook that not all on this forum share...no bother.... Each to their own, I say ! [/quote] So if you can't find people who share your tastes, you don't play?

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1443487110' post='2875234'] Then I might ask, what happened, why is it no longer enjoyable? Blue [/quote] I don't think there's one single reason. I'm finding as I get older, the musicians in my age group become very narrow minded about what they will and won't play, which type of venues they want to play, how much they want to get paid, how many times a month they'll play. They get pretty much set in their ways. That's one thing (or many) that annoy me. Another is a lack of imagination where they won't do any tune where the original cannot be exactly reproduced. Working in a band requires teamwork with strong leadership. If you're set in your ways and refuse to compromise for the good of a team then you'll never find a band. I think if you're a true musician you will continue to develop and be inspired over your whole life. The people who give up are just players of instruments.

No. We're just discussing a song. It's only a song. But the guy will make millions for it.

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1443255831' post='2873416'] David Arnold scores moved the Bond scores on, I wouldn't say they were better than the John Barry scores. The Barry scores were right for the time era, same as the Arnold music. Both brilliant (IMO of course). Small bit of trivia - This will be the first Bond film without Derek Watkins (RIP) on Trumpet. I think he was 17/18 when he recorded 'Dr.No'. A mix of both here. (Check out the Piano clam on beat one at 00:08 ) [size=2][/size] [/quote] I agree. I think the 90s was when I went from just playing music to fully appreciating how tunes were constructed. So maybe I was being a bit biased. But I think the David Arnold arrangements are so much more intricate. Maybe music has progressed that way. Up to this Sam Smith effort anyway. Will be interesting to hear how the rest of the score holds up.

The David Arnold films definitely have the best soundtracks. With the The Propellorheads he really bought something modern to them.

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1443172791' post='2872758'] He's tried to write something atmospheric and in the process it's become tuneless and formless. Won't be remembered as one of the good ones. IMO, of course. [/quote] I'm confused. I thought it was going to be Radiohead playing a song written by Dave Grohl and sung by Ellie Goulding.

My wife has a Bay City Rollers scarf.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1443129110' post='2872577'] I'm guessing McCartney's actual 'the' Hofner would fetch at least twenty times as much ... and maybe more. [/quote] Thinking about it it does seem a ridiculously low figure when $300m was paid for the most expensive painting.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1443099634' post='2872197'] ... And Macca did NOT auction his 1963 500/1. He still has it, still gigs it. [/quote] That's what I suspected as he auctioned another one for £15k Colectors are a strange bunch.

Paul McCartney auctioned a signed left handed hofner bass for £40k. I don't know if it was 'the' hofner though.

That's a lot of money. I'd be surprised if it went for that much. The signed lyrics could be worth something. It's usually guitar players who are the millionaires.

It depends what is meant by tripping. If the cooling fan or heatsink is obstructed by fluff and spiders webs, as mine was, application of the Hoover saves quite a few quid. Earlier suggestions that there are no mechanical parts to service are slightly misleading. Loose connections are sometimes obvious as well.

If we're going to be compeltly pedantic; the Scots are British and the Canadians are North Americans.

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1443009462' post='2871369'] Good grief, so you issue Canadian passports too? Is there no end to your authority? [/quote] Sorry. I thought you wanted to know why he had a .ca web address and might be interested in the geography and people of that area. My mistake.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' timestamp='1442935847' post='2870742'] This thread is the "gift that keeps on giving". Think I'll come back in a month and see if its still going around in circles! [/quote] It's just another great example of how you can generate huge discussion by making a sweeping generalisation about, and to, a group of people.

[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1442994176' post='2871154'] With a .ca domain? That doesn't stand for "California". [/quote] He is in Ontario. Just South of Detroit. He may technically live in Canada and may have a slight Canadian accent but there's no way he is a proper Canadian. I've worked in Michagan and Ontario and met a lot of people who live in that area. .