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[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1442387402' post='2866463'] The one song which i initially struggled with was Gimme Gimme Gimme by ABBA. Bit of a leveller that was! [/quote] I think Iron Maiden nicked all their songs from ABBA.

We've found that the football crowd are a different crowd to the live music crowd. A lot of pubs we pay have football on while we set up then turn it off. The football fans leave then the music fans arrive. 11pm seems a bit late but you may see the pub numbers swelling at about 10pm. I'd wonder what time you're playing until.

Excellent. The forum wins again.

Releasable cable ties. The problem with binding looms is; what works on one stage is no good on the next one that's one foot wider and one foot shorter.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1442319887' post='2865996'] I definitely care about all those things... massively. The only point I don't care about..because I don't need to, is gigs. I will do gigs but I'm not wasting my time or the other guys time on gigs of a certain nature or even stature. It is either a good gig or it is not. Funnily enough the other guys, who should be more picky about the work they do...because of the work they can get and indeed do get....aren't or can't be as picky. Basically, I wont waste their time for gigs that don't pay minimum £80 per head. I suspect they may go cheaper from time to time..and have to, but I'll generally not call these guys for that money. That is a basic 4 pub for a 4 piece..it gets much harder introducing a 5th member. Parties, which is what the band excels at, are easy [/quote] But you and Blue are looking at this from different points of view. You're running a band and he is 'just' a hired hand. From my point of view having been in both situations it's nice to just turn up and play what you're told to play. Put your trust in the band leader. I'm very flexible, I've played in everything from Thrash metal bands, through party bands and am dram pit work. To me a song is a song, most of them are 3minutes long and don't take hours to learn. Really it's all about being entertaining and playing live for me. From a band leader point of view, I'd want people like me. That can learn quickly, don't moan that it's a boring song that's been done to death, or that they're not getting as much this week as last week etc. I kind of agree that a band doesn't really work as a free democracy but really has to be run as a benevolent dictatorship, or as a strict democracy with an elected leader who has the final say on everything.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1442352300' post='2866357'] I use a 4-way and it's white, yup. It's rarely visible as it goes behind the backline, but it can occasionally be seen. I think it goes well with my red cabs (when I'm not using the orange/black one), and my instrument leads, an orange one from the bass to the pedalboard and the lead coming back to the amp would be, depending on the day and what shoes I'm wearing, pink, red or white. What I really want is an electric blue fluorescent 4-way. Oh yes. My bass? Natural ash/maple, of course. [/quote] Well it's your gig and your artistic choice. If that's the look you're going for and you want your backline and leads to be props that are part of the performance. I played a gig once on a church hall stage where the band leader had set up so much gear on stage that there was hardly any room for us. I suggested we moved the mixer, power amps, his guitar rack of 7 guitars and some other bits into the wings but he said it was a bad idea as no one would be able to see all our gear.

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1442341392' post='2866250'] We tend to forget that guitars and bases are very cheap compared to brass and classical instruments, people who I know who have played sax for example say they wouldn't touch anything under about 1.5k [/quote] The construction of those instruments is usually by hand and the tone is very dependent on construction and materials.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1442342903' post='2866270'] Why has this thread got such a silly title? Surely if it is a play on words it should read "no eyed deer"? (Waiting for PVA to dry, so no, I don't have anything better to do)! [/quote] I think that was covered on page 9...

My Dad lives in Oakham. He plays piano and recently played with a big band. Think it was near Peterborough.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1442330973' post='2866098'] The rate of progress in production of consumer goods has been fantastic over the last 30 years, though. Where you would have struggled to get anything at all for your £120 in 1985 (which is probably more like £250 in today's money), you could now get something very well made for that. One example is a guitar that we sold by the bucket-load, and it was just £80. No, the tuners weren't fantastic, and it wasn't made by "craftsmen" in some high-tech production facility, where each pieces of wood is meticulously sanded with finer and finer grades of sandpaper until they all fit together like a glove, but it did sound good, it was made from proper tradition guitar-building materials, and they were very easy to play. When I wanted to just sit down and mess about on guitar for a while, I always picked one of the £80 guitars. Yes we had nicer guitars, but I felt that the £80 was just what a beginner guitar should be, so I stuck with it. That had the added benefit of knowing exactly what to say about it when selling it. There must be some confusion. I think it's unjustifiable. I don't know why me holding that opinion means that you need to somehow go to some shadowy minister of justifications and seek their approval. One simply can't state an opinion without people starting the ol' whataboutery. [/quote] The differences are still there and still obvious to an experienced player. It's then down to the player to decide whether they're important. Ultimately what you're saying is what we used to call an intermediate bass is now a beginner bass with a very attractive price tag.

I played my Marlin Sidewinder £120 new in 1985 for 6 years. I didn't have a clue how awful it was until I got a decent job and started looking at other basses. All the guys around me also had super cheap beaten up basses. It didn't matter. Our fans (school mates) flocked to see us. We were stars and famous (well to about 3000 people anyway ) However once we then tried 'better' basses we were sold on them and what we were playing were really not as good. Basses that had necks that stayed straight, machine heads that stayed in tune, shielding, jacks where the plugs weren't loose, bottom end, notes that had sustain etc. Things that we didn't know about.

I think it's a theatre thing. In theatre everything that's not a prop that is backstage is black. Crew wear black. Just depends if you're putting on a show or just playing music. Back line and leads are all black. Instruments and performers are colourful. (Unless you're in a metal band)

That's not bad. Add 4 par cans, a laser and a smoke machine with footswitch and it becomes more of a nightmare.

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1442320700' post='2866002'] We must have used at least two, if not three, four way splitters (in white) at our last gig. Oddly enough none of the audience seemed to be bothered by it, they were too busy asking us to play more (ended up doing 3 sets) nor the club management who, presumably after looking at what they'd taken over the bar, immediately rebooked us. [/quote] It's like wearing white socks with black shoes and trousers.

Flexibility. You need a certain amount of hard headedness but you also need to be flexible about everything you do. 'Musical differences' - you will never find a group of people who want to play exactly the same tunes, at exactly the same time, with exactly the same regularity, in exactly the same type of venues. Compromise. If you don't get flexibility and compromise from everyone then there is no band. The people I meet who are disillusioned with it fit into the no compromise and inflexibility bracket. Funnily enough, you can't tell them that.

I eventually bought 4 black 4-way mains extensions. 2x3m and 2x1m. I'm a great believer in selecting the right length cable for the job when mains is required. Regarding XLR leads I try to do similar. We have two very long ones for active speakers and two very long 1/4" jack-jack for the active monitors. Everything else is 3m. You can always extend XLR by daisy chaining.

I'm sure stereo TVs didn't start becoming mainstream until the 1990s. In the 80s I was using older gear. I think this is where the 15s sound more bassy than 10s argument comes from. They really used to. IIRC most cabs were sealed as well.

Neat idea. I'd be tempted to use straight jacks and drill through the jacket for the rings. They'd be more comfortable in your pocket and the keys would still hang down.

Nice one Jim. That's 31 of us raising an average of nearly £80 a gig each. Well done everyone.

Unit, I totally agree with both statements. I just think if you play something because you like it then it's fine to say it's because you like it. Don't play something because it's the 'best' or 'better'. There's no such thing.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1442009512' post='2863864'] I have no idea what your Ibanez is, but you say it isn`t the best you have tried, but it fits your budget. That is fine. The neck is thinner against what? Then you say you prefer the sound. So it isn`t the best bass you have tried, but in your opinion you prefer the sound. You prefer the sound to what? What bass have you tried that is better than the Ibanez, but doesn`t have the sound you prefer?The neck is thinner against which basses you have tried? Surely the Ibanez must be the best you have tried as it has the neck you like and the sound you prefer? Why are some of the basses you have tried, better than the Ibanez? You haven`t really quantified anything, but gave the same sort of answers as other people who haven`t apparently answered in previous posts. [/quote] You've completely lost me there. If you put two basses next to each other and said one has a thinner neck than another one, then you can instantly prove whether it has by measuring them. That's a quantifiable measurement. Everyone will agree. It's physical. A fact. No doubt about it. If you put two basses next to each other and said one bass is better than the other then that is subjective. Purely an opinion. It's not measurable or quantifiable in any sense of the word.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1442006599' post='2863840'] Basically, the only reason that seems acceptable to you, if someone just says they are a poseur? While same may, that is not the reason why people buy Fender over Squire. Lots if reasons have been given, even if it doesn`t meet your criteria. Why should people need to look at the reason they buy the bass? If it makes them happy to have that bass, why do they need to look at themselves to justify it in a quantifiable way? [/quote] They don't. Until they use the wording better. If someone says the Fender is better than the Squire then tell me why they're better and why I should buy one and not the other. Where have I said that's the only acceptable answer? I've said it's as good an answer as any of the others and it's an honest answer. Do I think the Ibanez is a better bass than all the others I've tried? No. The neck is thinner and I prefer the sound. It's easier on my wallet, ears and fingers, and mine is a nice natural finish. Of those only two are quantifiable. The fact I like the sound and think the wood looks good are just a taste thing.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1442002536' post='2863802'] He has quanified it, as he has used it. He has told you that the Double Rectifier is better, so he has qualified it. He doesn`t have to explain it too you why it is better, as that is not the purpose of the video. As he is experienced, I am sure he knows what he is talking about. Seems like you jeust want to argue for no real purpose to me. [/quote] Well no. I'm not arguing with anyone. He actually qualifies and quantifies why the Peavy gear is better for the other band. It's cheap and inexpensive doesn't sound as good as the high end gear BUT it's easily replaced when it breaks or gets stolen. So that's WHY it's better for them. There are lots of posters in this thread and on the forum who'll discuss what's better but never say why it's better in a quantifiable way. Saying omething sounds better is just opinion. Saying something is easily replaced or more robust is a quantifiable fact. That's pretty much why the discussions never end. Something cannot be better just because it sounds different.

Because he hasn't qualified or quantified it. Simply saying x is better than y without saying why isn't very objective. Using the word better is incorrect, when really it's I prefer or I like.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1441997290' post='2863731'] Not really strange at all. You should be able to define better yourself. Better doesn`t mean anything but better than the item you are comparing., and that is up too the individual. ... [/quote] Which is why we can discuss it forever. Because what one person defines as 'better' is different to what another person defines as 'better'. Because we all have different tastes and requirements. (As has been said in the last few posts) So the discussion is circular...