TimR

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1418179507' post='2627758'] Well... there is this guitarist he knows... [/quote]

At some point you realise why you're gigging. I'm guessing that the awesome bass tone is probably not one of the top reasons your band has been asked to play, or the reason why people are coming to see you. Just saying...

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1418134322' post='2627167'] I notice that M*st*ng S*lly is conspicuous by its absence from the chart!! Is [i]everyone[/i] completely sick of it? [/quote] That's what I was thinking. I'm surprised to see Superstition as I thought that would be an unusual tune. I was beginning to think the same of Dakota but it seems to have seen a late rally.

That and fretboard gazing.

[quote name='Weststarx' timestamp='1418120408' post='2626946'] ... apart from my 4x10, I would take another one but I cant get it in my car! ... [/quote] I use 2 2x10"s.

Reminds me of this one: http://www.transum.org/Software/SW/Starter_of_the_day/starter_June19.asp

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1418113567' post='2626863'] This bit doesn't add up. If he gives you the tops, the difference between the value of all the cabs & the value of the amps is £63, right? So if you sell them for what he estimates and he sells the amps, then you're £63 down on what he gets. Now you pay yourself £63 out of that??? What make is the sub? [/quote] He is going to give him all the speakers plus £63. If the valuation is correct it means that Neptunehealer is £30 up on the deal due to the guitarists poor logic. But that's assuming the valuation is fair. .

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1418109488' post='2626838'] 2nd hand gear is not always gonna fetch a good price, his costing might be correct , though his keeping of chosen parts leaving you having to make sales seems unfair Going legal might give you more headaches and upset than it's worth, might be worth walking away and getting on with something new and positive. Having said that if you think he's being a knob and you want to put pressure on him, then around £60 to start a small claim against him might be worth it (he'll have to responed and make a case) [/quote] Thing is he's already admitted what he thinks the gear is worth in writing. Ask him for the £570. You could tell him if it goes to small claims they'll just tell you both to sell it straight away and split the money anyway. With no guarantee that it will fetch what you think.

[quote name='neptunehealer' timestamp='1418082153' post='2626797'] Best way to sell a PA speaker? any advice on that? In terms of shipping and website. [/quote] Really you need to find someone who already has an amp and a mixer and needs speakers.

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1418057849' post='2626401'] never needed a spare (yet!), never broken a string either, but could blag through the song on different string surely? More worried about amp failure so a good DI pedal more important IMO [/quote] Try it. It's quite tricky but not impossible. I busted a machinehead on the e string once. I take a spare. Even if it's an old secondhand cheapo bass it's something.

[quote name='Hugh971' timestamp='1418076549' post='2626730'] His calculations actually seem to make sense there. And if he's right then I'd say that's reasonable as he's giving you aprox half of the equipment and throwing in the monetary difference. If you post what the gear is then we can actually tell you what's reasonable. Hugh [/quote] Gear total worth c£1140. Half that is £570. Speakers worth £540. Leaves £30.

[quote name='neptunehealer' timestamp='1418077090' post='2626741'] I need to know the make and model etc. I asked him for these and he said 'don't you trust me'! as if. So he never gave them me. He isn't giving me the money, he wants to give me the speakers so i have to sell myself. Or could i use them and just buy a mixing desk to get another PA? [/quote] You'll need an amp and mixer. Which second hand will cost you... ...about £600.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1418076338' post='2626726'] Well he is the drummer, lol. I doubt singing drummers are allowed anyway are they? [/quote] I played in a band where the drummer was the singer. Really good as the drummer never complained he couldn't hear the singer and the singer never complained they couldn't hear themselves because the drums were too loud. Although he did use a music stand.

Don't forget. Microphones, leads, mic stands, speaker stands. What speakers are they? How hard have they been gigged? £540 for five year old passive subs and tops? Same goes for mixer and amp.

You've had 5 years use out of the PA. How much did you pay towards it. The ususal way to solve this would be to put it on eBay and split what's left 4 ways and give the guys who walked away their cut too. The speakers will be no use to you on their own and second hand value very low. I'd either take his offer or walk away. Personally I would always go for one person owns the PA and the band hire it.

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1418061092' post='2626447'] The X factoe one ain 't Zep tho. I think it's that Violin quartet of hot woman that did well on BGT. Would that be the same as it's not a zep recording but a recording owned by cowell. I may be wrong, but them violin woman def did a version! [/quote] Vanessa Mae? Page and Plant have done many versions.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1418044753' post='2626215'] ... Their method of sound checking was an eye-opener to say the least. Rather than start with the drums and build up from there, they got the vocals loud and clear both on-stage and FoH and then mixed the other instruments underneath. I saw then use this method at three very different venues and they sounded great at all of them. [/quote] I used to do this with our function band. We used to get complimented on the sound being the 'right' volume. It forces the drummer to think about his volume because if he plays too loudly he can't hear the vocals (or anything else!)

[quote name='Thurbs' timestamp='1418042704' post='2626187'] ... I was thinking of going tablet based, but the thought of digitising about a foots worth of lead sheets and scores rapidly puts me off. [/quote] I'm going to go tablet based and scan everything I have. Only really for future reference and convenience. My folder isn't a foot thick but it wouldn't go on a music stand. Everything we play is memorised anyway but would be useful if I get dep gigs, to let them know what I already know.

WEEK 1. Top 22. 1. Superstition (5) =. Teenage Kicks 3. Sex on Fire (4) = Dakota 5. Pretty Vacant (3) =. American Idiot =. All the Small Things 8. Brown Sugar (2) =. All Right Now =. Jumping Jack Flash =. Proud Mary =. Valerie =. Mercy =. Soul Man =. Time Warp =. Tommy Gun =. Can't Explain =. Rock Away Beach =. Hey Joe =. Substitute =. All Day and All of the Night. =. Mr Brightside I've added a few that we do as well so the numbers may not appear to add up completely at the moment.

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1418041811' post='2626177'] It could well be that. In which case, it might have less to do with the backline and more to do with him being perceptive about the sound each band were going for. [/quote] There's a reason a lot of bass players make very good producers.

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1418036109' post='2626096'] ... As it happens, the supplied backline that year was an SVT and 8x10" with a mic in front of it. I have no idea whether that was the root of the better bass sound or just a indicator that they had a different and more sympathetic sound team than in other years! ... [/quote] My guess is the soundman was a bass player. Who has that kind of gear lying around for backline?

Indeed. It's all about asthetics. And that's the band leader's descision. .

With no notice, it's a hard one but having a dep that you can call on makes a big difference. We took a gig that singer pulled out of with a weeks notice. I called a friend who is a pro singer and she said she'd do the gig no problem. The drummer then pulled out saying it wouldn't work and we shouldn't do the gig. So I got a pro drummer to dep for him. The singer sent us a list of the songs she knew from our set plus a load of standards that she did. The guitarist and I got together during the week and went over the standards. It was a smoking gig! Everyone was on their toes and if I'd been given the choice I would have continued from then on with that lineup

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1418029926' post='2626023'] What does selling out really mean? Is it that people want to keep bands a secret so they have the cool factor of being in the know? I guess bands want to reach new audiences, so that is why they do it. [/quote] I thought it was when you give up your artistic freedom and alter your songs so much to please a producer and record company and make your songs commercially viable that you have lost your integrity. Led Zepplin and Queen can hardly be considered as bands who have sold out. When I was in my teens some friends in a band were approached by a big label. The label wanted to take the band (who were proficient musicians and sounded very good) and give them music to play written by the label's songwriter, style them using a stylist and coreograph their moves. That's selling out!

[quote name='Number6' timestamp='1418026909' post='2625997'] So in this discussion, am i right in saying that we've ascertained that some use music stands and some don't? It would also seem that a majority of those that don't believe that those who do shouldn't. The don'ters appear to categorise the do'ers as maybe less capable than the don'ters. However the do'ers are questioning the don'ters on their right to see them in a lesser category than the don'ters. Would that be a fair appraisal of this debate so far? It certainly makes for very interesting reading. 😎 [/quote] Time for a Venn Diagram?