TimR

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[quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1426242751' post='2715990'] Does a plumber charge differently based upon the amount of water which will flow through the pipe? [/quote] That old plumber analogy. But yes. He does. We have some pretty big pipes where we work. 1200mm diameter. The 'plumbers' get quite a lot of money.

Yes. I used to work on £5 a head for the function band. Organisers have a budget and select their band accordingly. There's always a minimum fee which depends on the event. Obviously if it's a big ticketed sporting event you have no idea what the organisers entertainment budget is but if it's a 40,000 people event you're obviously not going to charge £200k. Bear in mind if you hit a problem then you will probably have to find deps or a replacement band. Depending on what you've agreed. Those deps/bands will want some money, especially if it is short notice. .

[quote name='Number6' timestamp='1426237645' post='2715880'] This is Ron Tree at a recent Hawklords gig.....he doesn't use music stands either. [/quote] Is that the Jeremy Clarkson petition?

I think as musicians we also suffer from confirmational bias when we watch a band. I've often come away from gigs thinking the band I've just seen have played loads of the tunes we play. In truth it may be 4 or 5 of 60+ tunes.

[quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1426165830' post='2715111'] I really dont think this is an untruth. I've been asked to play songs from the 60s and 70s at quite a few auditions - generally I dont get as far as the audition if thats what they want to play anymore but its not long ago I was playing Cant Get Enough, Sweet Home Alabama, Twist and Shout and Credance Clearwater Revival songs on a regular basis. Most of the songs on the list were hits before I was born. [/quote] I suppose that depends on what else is in the set. My current band sent me their setlist and suggested some tunes to learn for the audition. The tunes they suggested were the standards because they knew I would already know them. I learned about 60% of the setlist anyway and we played some other tunes. Which impressed them more than if I'd turned up and played Brown Sugar. I played in a 'function' band for a few years that wasn't getting any gigs because of the the selection. The drummer wanted to play 'different' tunes to what other bands played. We added a load of classic tunes and a load of chart tunes and all of a sudden started getting gigs. What I'm saying is that there may be bands out there with setlists full of overplayed corny classics, but I'd be surprised if they're getting band members or gettin out and gigging. You need a careful blend and I think the 'oh god not this tune again' reaction is mainly coming from muso's who've possibly played that tune too many times rather than audiences who've heard it too many times. Eg. You may have been in a band who played Brown Sugar at every gig for 5 years, however, the audience will have only seen you play it a handful of times. There will be some overlap, but all bands won't all be playing those same 100tunes. .

Suddenly, as if by magic... <xylophone>

[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1426106574' post='2714564'] ... [/quote] Fair enough. But this is a very temporary (less than a day?) installation with a floating ground. Powering 3 small amplifiers. A very common situation. It's all covered in the IET link I posted and there should be instructions with any generator. The only possible difficulty I can see is tying the generator earth to the generator neutral. There is no way to ground the generator earth and I don't see any practical or safe way of bonding the entire trailer, even if anyone considered it to be necessary.

http://electrical.theiet.org/wiring-matters/39/portable-generators.cfm?type=pdf

[quote name='spacey' timestamp='1426098679' post='2714417'] If this were true, none of the equipment would work. ... [/quote] It's AC. The earth is for protection only. The earth is not a conductor.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1426086327' post='2714198'] So this would not earth the current then? [/quote] Don't worry about 'earthing' the current. You're trying to stop a dangerous voltage difference happening. When a bird perches on a high voltage line it's voltage rises to be the same as the high voltage line. It's not a problem until it somehow manages to have one foot on the ground and the other touching the live wire. Which is impossible for the bird.

[quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1426072612' post='2713977'] ... My covers band is deliberately avoiding the "classic", we're absolutely aligned with #84, except Hard to Handle which we should have dropped by now. Black Crowes version is only 90s though.... All the other songs are pretty much late 90s onwards, successful chart tunes that everyone should recognise. ... [/quote] That version is 25years old! I keep reading people saying ''far too many bands" and "everyone" is playing all the old favourites but then claiming their band is different because we play more up to date tunes. Then cite 90s tunes. So who is it that's playing all those old tunes that no one wants to hear? Seems it's none of us here on BassChat! I'd say we must be pretty representative of 'most bands'. I'm sure this is just another one of those untruths we like to repeat.

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1426057106' post='2713780'] Unless that drumbeat or bassline is something that is part of the melody where if it was played on its own, it would be instantly recognisable. Also certain sounds can be copyrighted too. If it were not the case, that would give no copyright to the majority of DnB songs. [/quote] Which seems to be the case here. The melody and lyrics are different to the Marvin Gaye tune, even the chord progression is different. However the song appears, to all intents and purpose a very close approximation of the original.

[quote name='phil.c60' timestamp='1426021377' post='2713595'] I always have a full English before I use a Jenny....or any other girl for that matter. It's the only way I can find the energy, [/quote] Once you get her spinning she don't half go!

[quote name='amnesia' timestamp='1426014738' post='2713490'] I said about the imbalance measurement earlier. No body read it. I might have cried. [/quote] I read it. Sorry I should have acknowledged it. Dad is right though. In Disneyland all the cast are strapped to poles during the light parade. Hopefully the poles are insulated considering all the power for the lights.

[quote name='amnesia' timestamp='1426010158' post='2713405'] The flatbed chassis / generator 'earth' [/quote] No. It doesn't detect current flowing 'back through earth'. It detects an imbalance between what is going out and what is coming back. If there is a difference then it's going somewhere it shouldn't be. The flat bed will be wood so it'll be insulated. The only danger is the metal work of the truck that could in very rare circumstances become live. It can't act as an earth. Potentially everyone on the truck could become live but that's not a problem until they touch something outside the truck when they get down. It's such an unlikely event. Maybe the musicians will get on the truck then off again at the end of the performance. There are three amps. How long are they playing for? How long would it take to apply and check equipotential bonding to all the exposed metal work? Is this even required by the regs? Not unless it's practical.

[quote name='spacey' timestamp='1426007494' post='2713366'] What will the RCD measure against ? [/quote] It detects an imbalance between the live and the neutral. Any fault where a metallic amp case could become live. Equipotential bonding is just not practical or necessary in this situation.

A lot of overthinking going on. PAT your gear. Use an RCD. Jobs a good 'un.

Check your action on that string. It may be too high.

[quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1425888819' post='2711721'] Mustang Sally Alright Now Sweet Home Alabama Hard to Handle Honky Tonk Women Rockin in the Free World Pride and Joy Have almost managed to dump all of these from the current set! [/quote] So have most bands now. It's a bit stereotypical now in that, if someone mentions Clasic Rock, they're the tunes everyone immediately thinks of. However, hardly any bands are now playing those tunes. Mostly they've moved on to the Pop/Rock of the early 2000s. Even the tunes from the late 90s early 00s are heading on for being 20years old.

I wasn't canvassing for opinion.

Sometimes things are beyond people's control. I saw a tent on another forum, I have the same tent but it might be good to have another one of the same for the kids to use. The tent was advertised as having one pole broken. No worries I goggled a new one was £20. Tent was worth £140 new. I PM'd and offered him £70. Although I was only really testing the water and being opportunistic. I was going up north that weekend and said I could pick it up. He replied that he was moving and couldn't meet that weekend and the tent would be packed up with his belongings anyway. I replied no problems, and to let me know when he'd moved and we could work something out. Never heard from him again and I never contacted him. Not sure which of us was doing the time wasting on that one

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1425750604' post='2710379'] That's because they never bloody listen to it! [/quote] Exactly. It's always better to have the argument over why you're not playing 8th root notes under everything before you go into the studio, than to find out afterwards your entire input was rerecorded by the guitarist a few days later.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1425722194' post='2710007'] Yes, that's a good one. And if your band knows they'll be recording in say, a month's time, it's useful to do a few rehearsals and record them in their entirety so you get used to being recorded constantly. The helps reduce 'red light anxiety' when you get in the studio. [/quote] Definitely make a prerecording recording of the songs you will be doing. Then listen to them. Nothing worse than getting the rough mix back and finding that something someone has been playing for months is actually wrong or a drum fill sounds awful. Quite often we can only concrete on a couple of parts of the arrangement at a time while playing. Quite often after a recording someone will say "I never noticed that the bass played that." Make sure you have endings sorted too.

[quote name='dadofsix' timestamp='1425569307' post='2708711'] Don't know the law over there but, couldn't you incorporate the band, thereby making it a legal entity, insure the corporation, and then, simply have an insurance rider covering the employees of the corporation -- the band members? [/quote] If you make the band a legal entity you start having to appoint directors and file anual accounts to companies house and the tax man.