TimR

But it's also about 'why' pubs pay so low.

The thread is about becoming disillusioned with pub gigs for low money. All these other examples are all very nice but don't adress the op. Sure we play exceptional gigs for free and we play other gigs for lots of money. But why do we play to three people in a bar for £30?

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1416231610' post='2608101'] Doesn't stack up; ... [/quote] And you do that every Saturday night? I'm comparing Fly standing in a river on a Sunday morning holding his fishing rod, with Fly standing in a pub on a Saturday night holding his bass. If he doesn't catch any fish on Sunday, hell still be back the next week. If the punters start leaving the pub on Saturday, he won't be asked back

But if you'd agreed to do Cambridge and the band member had dropped out what happens then? If it's a pub gig paying £30 each where's the money and incentive to find a dep? Often the money we get paid is compensating us for keeping these dates free and not jumping off when 'something better comes along'. For the wedding season in summer you're being compensated for agreeing not to go on holiday for those dates in the summer in advance. Family parties etc. For a pub gig you drop out and no one is really that bothered.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1416222331' post='2607969'] Call me prejudiced, but I won't work in a band with keyboard players. I'm sure there are some very good professional keyboard players out there who are great guys and gals, but in short - I've never once met any of them. Obviously I've been unlucky. Don't feel bad about it! [/quote] I've found brass and vocals to be the most annoying. Often turn up with minutes to spare and ask where to plug in. We did try to fix this by giving them earlier sart times but then they turn up early and just get in the way of setting up. People are all different. Mostly because they've never had to organise a band and don't understand what's involved in the background. The key is to work out what people's strengths are and work with them rather than trying to fix weaknesses.

Regards hobbies. Listening to music, going to gigs or playing music at home is a hobby. Like fishing, you are doing it for your sole enjoyment. The guy in the bait shop is also a hobby fisherman but as soon as he starts providing a service for the other fishermen he starts to charge. If people want to listen to your band then you're providing a service. If you don't provide a good service (even if it's free) they won't listen. If they don't come and see you then the pub looses out. I don't think the 'I enjoy it so why should I be paid?' theory works. I enjoy my day job, maybe I should just do that for free too? .

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1415961695' post='2605558'] ... What's also weird, is that everyone's MD for their own songs. For example, I chose for us to play Sing It Back - Moloko so I end up directing it. The guitarist wants us to play Are You Gonna Be My Girl? - Jet so he directs that. Never been in a band that works that way before! Truckstop [/quote] That sounds great. Would have to have the right mix of people to do that. We tend to have Singer who wants everything exactly as the original, drummer who doesn't care as long as we play it the same each time, guitarist who wants to keep it busy and not worry too much about form and me who doesn't like it too busy and likes to know roughly what the form is but not too fussed if we miss a verse or play an extra chorus when we're playing live. Anyway - back to the original question. No I don't herd cats, I'm the boxing referee, standing between the drummer and the singer.

[quote name='Meypelnek' timestamp='1415967697' post='2605657'] There are two kind of YouTube bass videos: Those showing the hands and the bass, head cut. And those showing the guy. Bass cut. [/quote] And that one is the third type?

He's mad. I've seen a few of his vids. All that with no strap! Neil Peart in a biscuit tin.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1415824487' post='2604251'] I've always wanted and needed a low action... and always been picky on strings for feel and touch. Maybe I'm just picky. Of course, it doesn't matter how anyone sets up a bass, ... but most people find mine easier to play that their own.. Makes me wonder why they don't set theirs up like that. [/quote] I think StingrayPete (and Dave_bass5) nailed it. The vast majority of people just play them off the shelf. I wonder if pianists have the same conversations? "The hammers are just too 'bouncy' on the Steinway for my liking." .

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1415816919' post='2604112'] We were too scared to touch the truss rod when we were young, some people still are I suppose? [/quote] It did take a half a can of 3in1 and a big monkey wrench. But I got there in the end.

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1415791066' post='2603747'] I played a Marlin Sidewinder for three years, with no awareness of the concept of a setup, and no awareness that 8mm action was a bad thing. I happily gigged it and even recorded with it. I think that this may be why I've never regarded any subsequent bass to be 'unplayable' Not sure what this has to do with GP :-D [/quote] Was that at the nut? I'm pretty sure mine was at least 20mm at the 12th fret. Having said that, I defretted it and put a few turns on the truss rod and it's quite a nice bass to play now.

It's a jam. Just play the notes.

Ha. Got a bit carried away there. You've got 16million coulours to chose from.

I tended to stick to chases of very few colours. Maybe four at most. With a decent controller you can sequence chases together so if you build one chase with two colours then another with two different colours you end up with a four colour chase. If you see what I mean. It's all well and good if your band is the type of band that will benefit from colours that complement the stage show. But in most bands the 7 standard colours are ok. I don't like green and the fact you can have several different shades of blue can make lighting a lot more interesting. I programmed in a very low pink and pale blue with slow fade which worked well on slow songs. I also programmed a very low red that I used to light the stage while we were getting ready to start. Made quite a good atmosphere. But now I play in a rock band and just leave my 4 par cans to do what they want and the rest of the band love it. Maybe I'll buy a new controller...

Proper info here: https://www.teenagecancertrust.org/get-involved/news/the-who-hits-50-an-evening-of-who-music-in-aid-of/

[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1415222413' post='2598182'] Sorry to quote you but it seems it's a 'house band' with none other than Mr Palladino on the bass. Well it is according to Ticketmaster! [/quote] It's not a 'secret' warm up for the main tour is it? http://thewho.com/tour/ .

Didn't Rush do an album of covers? Including the Seeker.

Good luck. If you need any assistance drop us a PM. It's fairly straightforward if you draw things out on paper first. You may also need to make a dummy plug to go at the end of line with resistor in it and the earth grounded. If the lights start doing random unexpected things this is usually the solution.

Has anyone seen plans of what is proposed? Seems to me until we know what Camden have to 'rethink' it's a bit of a toothless petition.

Canary Wharf is no longer docks. In the same way Crossrail will change the whole character of the area. That is what is proposed and needed. http://www.crossrail.co.uk/route/stations/tottenham-court-road/ I can't see a petition will change this at all. Hopefully the actual redevelopment of Denmark Street will retain the character of the building's facade. The original buildings were stables, not a purpose built music venue.

No. Only my style. I always just thought a bass was a bass and they all sounded the same. 30years on and I still think that.

I haven't done anything. I'm on iPhone.

Fixed now.

Odd.