TimR

[quote name='mep' timestamp='1352839380' post='1868284'] OK. this is the transcription for the whole song from a 1993 guitar magazine. ... [/quote] Yes that's the one. It's great. 5 bar, 6 bar, 9 bar and 17 bar sections and a bar of 2/4 thrown in for good measure. Drummers nightmare

I learned it from a transcription from a magazine and it's quite difficult in terms of extra bars, our drummer used to do 16 bars and try to come in and it always ended in a car crash, there's some odd stuff going on in the outro too.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1352832041' post='1868111'] Count it out in your head - a straightforward 16 bars (divided into 2 sections of 8 bars)! [/quote] No. There's a 5 bar section just before the guitar solo, with a couple of beats of bass lead in, then the guitar solo is 17bars long. The 17th bar is ringing guitar and a couple of beats of drums. There's a few 6 bar sections throughout the song too. You may not be aware of it because a lot of it you feel rather than count.

It's odd. From memory as above it's just chromatics but it's not exactly 16 bars long.

.... and guess what. All those number 1s Stock Aitken and Waterman produced were covers of 50s and 60s tunes. Nothing changes. There will always be x-factor or opportunity knocks or whatever, there will always be original material of dubious quality, and there will always be tunes that stand the test of time. Time only, will tell.

[quote name='he man812' timestamp='1352678468' post='1866146'] He's right TIM, they are top bands [/quote] Yes, but he's missed Adam and the Ants, Tenpole Tudor, Toyah....

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1352677859' post='1866127'] ...of course this depends on what bands you are refering to... [/quote] Exactly. I just remember, literally tons of sh*te being produced. There was some very good music, but at the time it was difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff. Who wants to have a stab at what music from the 2010s will be popular in the 2040s?

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1352677026' post='1866105'] You depressing bastard And wrong. [/quote] Lol. I'm wrong that it was sh*te, or wrong that it's now considered good? I hope to god it's the latter. Joking aside, Rick Astley, Mel and Kim and all the Stock Aitken Walkman stuff was well ahead of its time....

[quote name='he man812' timestamp='1352673981' post='1866058'] ... Ignoring bad music has to be encouraged otherwise it will remain big forever. ... [/quote] I grew up in the 70s and 80s. The 80s in particular were notable for the complete sh*te that was being produced. The sh*te is now pretty much considered quality music.

[quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1352665428' post='1865905'] I promise not to, so long as, when I've come to be communicated with and moved by feelings expressed, you still entertain me. [/quote] It's a deal, I can cry and everything. Kind of my point, there should always be an element of entertainment.

[quote name='arthurhenry' timestamp='1352664998' post='1865894'] Music is entertainment and expression and communication. Sometimes all at once, sometimes not. [/quote] Well, if you want to communicate with me and express yourself, please don't do it to me when I've come to be entertained.

[quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1352661450' post='1865808'] I have not watched the show myself but my daughters have. It is aimed at the young - it gives them the feel good factor. The hope that fame and fortune can come to the ordinary person. That is what entertainment has been about since the war years. Opium for the masses I like making my own music. Playing in a band. Listening to blues, rock and even jazz lol. If you don't like it don't listen and agree with your other half, yes you do take music very seriously!!!! [/quote] You are a very wise person. Music is entertainment. If it entertains someone, it has done it's job. There are many people out there in original bands trying very hard to write good music but missing the Entertainment side. I've sat and listened to some very musically good singers and players but left after the first set because I was bored to tears. I've stayed all night watching some great entertaining bands who've struggled to get to the end of intros together.

[quote name='Subbeh' timestamp='1352656133' post='1865700'] What bugs me is that so many of the entrants go on about how music is their life, all they've ever wanted to do was perform. Do they go out and find a band? go to open mic nights or do anything to further their dreams? no they wait for a 'talent' show to turn up on their door steps before they'll do anything. Obviously this isn't true for all of them but seems to be the case for the majority, I can't work out how they really want to do this but have never got off their arses and tried. [/quote] I know lots of people who have auditioned from our local stage school. All very talented singers, dancers and actors. Most of them perform regularly to large audiences, many of them have gone on to have main roles in West End Shows and parts on TV. The X-factor are not looking for people who are good, they're looking for a back story that gets the phones ringing.

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1352651332' post='1865592'] ... because everyone enjoys music on different levels.. ... [/quote] It's not a singing or music competition, they're looking for someone with the X-factor. Just remember that and the fact that no one knows what the X-factor is....

[quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1352649111' post='1865554'] Exactly. The death still goes on to this day in the name of freedom. I like to go along to our village War Memorial for the short service each year. It always annoy's me that those in their cars do not give a little respect and stop for that five or ten minutes. No, they don't have time for that. They have to get to wherever they are going. To enjoy themselves, to do what they want to do. There are many hundreds and thousands who cannot do that. Rant over. [/quote] I was out running today a 11:00. I ran past our memorial at 11:10 as people were dispersing. Just because I was running doesn't mean I'm not thinking. In fact it gave me more freedom to think than listening to someone's speech. Driving past a memorial is, however, a bit crass, but hopefully those passing did do some thinking at some point. I don't know anyone who thinks badly of Remembrance Sunday.

.... and are still doing.

This is the exact problem I had with my old band, at least my current band are up front and aren't fussed about gigging so I know where I stand. We had endless 'way forward' meetings called by the drummer where we discussed 'openly' where we all wanted to be. Unfortunately what they said they wanted to do was completely different to what they actually wanted to do. I don't think they lied, I just think they didn't actually know what they could commit to. Alternatively they were just paying you lip service and if you had continued pushing you'd end up leaving or getting asked to leave anyway.

I think that the whole band should have an agreement on what happens in such a situation before you start gigging. The last thing you want is the drummer wading in before anyone's had an opportunity to diffuse the situation. The first thing to do is for the whole band to stop playing. You can't do anything while the rest of the band are carrying on regardless and you're trying to get someone off stage, or gear. Everyband needs a stagemanager. A person who calls the shots when on stage, who decides whether you do an encore, skip tunes, what tunes to play next, stop for a break etc. Usually it's the singer, but it's down to them to deal with the situation and call in staff if it looks like it's going to get nasty.

Once you have managed to get "Everything louder than everything else." turn the whole lot down. Most bands are now far to loud due to low cost powerful gear. More watts mean more headroom, not more volume. If your punters are standing along the back wall, or not dancing down the front with the band, then it is too loud.

Sounds like your main issue is the volume war between keys and guitar. Until both of them understand that they will need to cut some frequencies and have a 'band' sound instead of 'their' sound, you are completely wasting your time. Regards bass drum. You just need definition. If you have no subs no amount if bass boost will make any difference. Try boosting around 120-300hz. You're also going to havevto be careful you don't get bleed into the mic from bass guitar. In addition SISO you can't make the bass drum sound better, or radically different to how it sounds at source. Tuning the bass drum is key.

I've a Marantz PM350 and some Mission 7xx (might be 761s) speakers that I bought in the 90's and were still going strong until I moved house in February. Now sitting in a box in the garage and I can't bring myself to sell them.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1351859397' post='1856237'] I'm sorry, it sounds like he read a popular psychology book, then made a video. It seems clumsy and not well thought out to me. [/quote] Well he is American. I kind of liked it until he got to the room bit. I'm comfortable with the bits I need to know, I know there are bits I should, would like to, but don't really need to know. Know what I mean?

How broke is it. Maybe someone in the DIY FX thread could salvage it?

You should hear me playing the pips!

Nice. I think it would be worth it if we were getting well paid gigs once a month.