TimR

U2 were not musicians. None of them had even heard of blues or rock music when they got together. I'm not sure I understand how that could happen but according to Bono it did. They just played what they liked. Some of the early stuff only has a few chords and they don't really make musical sense in the way a musician would have written them. The Edge is all about effects. Listen to his lines clean and you'll hear it's very simple. They've never hidden it.

Living Colour.

[quote name='Graham' timestamp='1358447798' post='1939446'] Something by Jamiriquoi? [/quote] I agree. They're usually strong enough to play without horns and synth if you work on the arrangements.

No. It's fairly simple. To double the perceived volume you need ten times the power. So to double the volume from a 10w amp you need 100w and to double it again you need 1000w. Don't forget power is cheap now due to transistors. Although speakers have become mire efficient. So it's cheaper to have efficient speakers and big amps than it is to have loads of inefficient speakers and small amps. Like they used to do.

The 210 is 100dB 50Hz-16kHz The 410 is 103dB 45Hz-16kHz There are 210s on the market louder than that 410. Look around.

If you think it's funny, quote it in the 'famous quotes' thread in off topic. It's genius.

My friend used to listen to Phil Collins a lot. He drove into a tree. Can't blame him really.

Yes, it will be down to the individual to say if they've got no gigs lined up in the next fortnight to offer the bass to the next in line. You're probably looking at 2-3 weeks per person as it is.

The best way is for Jim to compile a list of names and locations first. Say by the end of Feb. Then somehow work a route. If more join after its started out on its journey it could do two laps and if it's already passed you on the first lap you'll get it on the second.

[quote name='Prime_BASS' timestamp='1358084753' post='1932740'] indeed, one won't be driven as much as the other, but aslong as the 2x10 is on top and you can hear it it should be fine, using your ears and bit of common sense a lot of weird bass rigs are fine. The 210AV's which I have for sale, will be as loud as any other 4x10 out there but will seem louder due to polar response and some science stuff. and they only weigh about 23kgs together, so a really nice alternative to having a hulking 4x10. [/quote] I don't have experience of that particular cab but the right modern 2x10" will more than keep up with a loud drummer.

I like the idea of a signed shirt going round. We found with 'the shirt' a few people weren't 'allowed' to wear it at a gig so just got a photo. My gigs fell through so I just took it out to see Metalica. Mainly people put CDs of their bands in the box and we had a listen. There were a few novelty items. I put my Metallica ticket stub in. It would be really funny if we could get it on some TV shows in a backing band etc, someone must be able to do that. BUT Keep it secret, a kind of insider joke.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1358069741' post='1932462'] ... The shirt and the box are now with a bass player who hasn't answered any correspondence and hasn't passed it on... I'll see if I can find the website. [/quote] Well apparently The shirt lives : http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/1917323/1

Make sure you get good contact details of whoever has the bass next. We did this on another forum only with a shirt. Everyone had to wear the shirt at a gig and put something in a memory box that travelled with the shirt. The contents of the box were kept secret and there was some interesting stuff in it. The shirt and the box are now with a bass player who hasn't answered any correspondence and hasn't passed it on... I'll see if I can find the website.

Have a look on the back of the speaker and see what is written on it. Maybe someone here can dig something out and recommend a cab size. If you're getting the saw out might as well try to get the best sound you can.

If it's a sub I doubt any size can will make it do higher frequencies. It's designed to do bottom and nothing else. Try to google the sub manufacturer and dig out a data sheet. Building a cab is not just a case of building a box, cutting a hole and putting a speaker in. Check out the DIY cab thread.

You'll have to cart your cab around the shops and do some testing. I suspect you'll be fine with anything up to 1000W but there are plenty of 350-500w amps that would be cheaper. But as Mr Foxen says, it depends...

Did you build the cab yourself? Do you have any info on what the driver is? If you can find the Xmax and Thiele-Small data, you can use them in software like WinISD to model different cab sizes and predict what might happen. Also is it a ported/vented cab? The above data might also help in deciding whether the speaker would suit a ported or sealed cab. Gererally (ouch!) you'll lose bass as the size of the cab reduces. Hours of fun ahead

Get an 8ohm cab. You can then add another 8ohm cab later if need be. If you buy a 4ohm and it's not loud enough, you'll have to sell it and buy two cabs or something else. You're not in a band yet so don't know how loud you'll need to be. The watts rated are electrical not volume related. All this 'full power from the amp' is a bit of a red herring. Look at the SPL values for the cabs and trust your ears. I own 2 400w Warwick pro 2x10s. 103dB. One for practices and small gigs, two for big gigs. Never had the volume past 1/3 with unmiked drummer.

Well, it's not exactly rocket science... ...more like particle physics.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1358009552' post='1931822'] A bit, but people have been studying this stuff since circa 1876, so at this point there isn't anything in the realm of audio that hasn't been scientifically explained. But it's not the sort of stuff they teach in secondary schools, nor even at the university undergraduate level at most institutions, not even those with EE programs. [/quote] Well, they do here in the UK. At secondary school we do the double slit experiment with light. Anyone who has seen that will instantly understand about 4x10s. I think the biggest thing to understand is beaming. The wider the source, the lower the frequency at which beaming becomes an issue. As you said above 4x12s are very directional for guitarists and 15" and 18" cause problems for bass players standing too close to their cabs. As for multiple size drivers in hi fi, you're using near field cabs as opposed to large far field cabs and speakers. Typically the largest speaker in a hifi will be 8". Plenty loud enough and practically omnidirectional at higher frequencies.

There are a couple of things to be aware of: 1) As you add more speakers your source becomes wider. As it approaches 1/4 of the wavelength the sound becomes directional. This directional 'beam' becomes narrower as the frequency rises. Think of it like the twist focus on a torch, raising the frequency is like twisting the focus. Normally this won't be a problem; the wavelength of sound at 40Hz is 8.5m, at 220hz it's 1.5m, at 340Hz it's 1m and at 1khz it's 0.34m. So your 15" (0.38m) speaker will be directional at anything over 220Hz and your 10" (0.25m) at anything over 340Hz. You can notice this as you walk across the room the sound is brighter in front of the speaker than it is to the side (this is known as off-axis response). If your cab was as wide as 2m the sound will become directional at 40Hz. Theoretically - I don't know about practical limitations. So I suspect having 2x4x10" next to each other would create problems. 2) Individual speakers next to each other create interference patterns. Those of you who paid attention in Physics lessons will remember the 2-slit light experiment where you shine a light through two slits and get patterns of dark and light on the wall. Again you can experience this as you walk across the room when a 4x10" is used and get different tones. You can get around this by vertically stacking two 2x10" to create a 1x4 configuration instead of the traditional 2x2 configuration of the 4x10" It's a lot more complicated than this when you start adding in room reflections, but in essence if you can't hear your bass it nay well be because you're not standing in the area where the frequency you want to hear, over the other instruments, is directional. Hope this is right and not too much of a lecture. I'm happy to be corrected.

I'm in 3 bands. 1. Has 1 gig lined up this year with no great ambition to get more. 2. Has 3 gigs lined up and lots of enthusiasm and is looking to get one a month. 3. Haven't seen any of the guys since September when we were looking for a singer, not really sure if this really counts as being in a band. I think band 3 sounds a bit like your current band. I don't see a problem with being available to play with as many musicians as possible. I don't see why any other musicians should have a monopoly on your/my bass playing.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1357811753' post='1928639'] ... The place where that really falls down IMO though ius when the performance is hugely dependant on fx, like Shep's dubstep stuff, that is probably more down to the processing he applies than any amount of phrasing nuances (possible exception being how far envelope filters are opened, but even then sensitivity changes to the filter could make another player sound very similar). We arent talking a touch of octaver and a chorus here though, his fx setup is hugely complex and very carefully tailored to the material he is creating. Which makes it nigh on unique to him at any given time, and therefore you would probably find it easier to replicate his tone using synths. Of course the argument there is that he isnt really playing bass, merely using a bass as a signal generator for a hugely complex modular synth system, after all I can definitely make another fretless sound like his Roscoes do in a normal mix, just not in his particular choice of musical endeavour. [/quote] You could also argue that he (the player) set all this up carefully himself. He didn't just buy some new gear that magically changed his tone.

Think of it like a cake. Your bass is the base, plain sponge, chocolate, whatever, you can chose what you want. The player puts the icing and decorations on it. Thick, thin, hundreds and thousands, jelly tots. The cake is basically unchanged but looks and tastes quite different with different toppings. Then you take the beautifully baked and iced cake, drop it in a bowl, pour on some jelly and top it with custard. That's your band...

[quote name='Inti' timestamp='1357692377' post='1926991'] No?... [/quote] Yes.