TimR

Depends if it's a hobby band or your main source of income. Finding yourself on a tour as a paid side musician might have a different slant on it. You may not have to spend any free time with them, just rehearsals and performances, or you may have to spend hours on a bus with them. I guess in those circumstances you'd have to wait until you get other work, or just hope they don't attract any media attention. Wasn't there a pretty famous bass player here who had an 'audience with' tour. He was given quite a bit of stick here for it's content and never posted again.

I draw the line at people who are being willfully ignorant of facts and move on from thoughts and the odd conversation to full on organising actions. It's like the flat earthers, I now don't believe any of the actually think the world is flat, they're just grifters who make money from it and are on some kind of power trip.

The problem is social media gives them validation. You are one voice against an army of people who are spending their whole day posting memes and other content.

It depends how vocal they are. The problem is being guilty by association and being tarred with the same brush. I have a couple of 'responsible postions' in the local community. I've cancelled a contract with one provider who had a director who organised a protest at an asylum hotel.

If it's recorded backing you can't rush, plus the rest of the band won't make any mistakes. Have a good one. Eat early if you can.

Is there a Search bible somewhere? Looking to do a search in the for sale area that comes up with hundreds of pages but want to elimate all the sold items. -sold doesn't do anything.

And there we have 4 examples of why PAT Certificates are not just a tick in a box for the insurance. Venues must see this week in week out.

Hi Tim, I think we are kind of agreeing in different ways. If the amp was faulty, or causing a PD to its own earth, then yes it would need looking at before it caused itself or the guitarist any damage. Remember, it is the current that kills, not the voltage, so in some schools of electrical thought, what you read on your meter may have been inside some sort of tolerance (although I doubt it). Did you get it fixed, or just leave it as was? Yes. The earth wire had been removed from the 13amp plug. I rewired the plug. I also had an incident at a gig where the keys kept cutting out. The keys player realised it was everytime he tapped his foot. Said it would be ok, he'd just keep his foot on the mains plug. I stopped the sound check and insisted on opening it up, and found a very worrying nest of loose wires. Musicians in general are very cavalier with inspecting cables. "If it works, it must be ok."

One band I was in had this scenario. I took the amp home and measured 60volts to earth. It's not static. It's caused by the 0v of the transformer output not being at Earth potential as it's not grounded via the mains plug. The potential problem is a fault inside the amp causes a fire or the case to become live. An RCD detects an imbalance between the neutral and live. Which you won't get as the 240v side of the transformer is working as expected.

Assuming there's no fault in the mic wiring.

A ground lift inserts a small resistor, it doesn't disconnect the earth. The issue is if a fault develops in the PA and a signal wire becomes live, there's nothing preventing the microphone casing becoming live. If the guitarist had touched any other grounded component in the setup while touching his strings, he'd still be getting a shock. Essentially, it sounds like it was his guitar that was live, but without a multimeter that would be difficult to determine. Usually opening the plugtop reveals a multitude of dodgy DIY wiring.

This is great advice. Don't worry if you have false starts, or falls apart. No one will be surprised. Above all, enjoy it. It's a celebration of life. We are assuming the 3 people are the rest of the band and you're not playing solo. If it's a solo piece remember not to go off too fast. Take your time. Nerves can make your heart race and alter your perception of tempo. Good luck.

Ok. I wondered how you'd tested it. All earths should be common. The 'Martindale' testers upthread would show missing/bad earths on sockets. More reason for performers to have their PAT certificates up to date.

It could be being driven by lightweight equipment. I initially bought a lightweight amp and kept my old one as a spare. I've now bought a lightweight 10" cab and would be looking at selling my cabs if I upgraded them, but probably keep the amp.

Regards recording studios. The last few times I've been in them. It's been. Ensemble drums, bass, keys, guitar, vocals - one or maybe two takes. Leave. The singer can sort the vocals out on their own, and if the guitarist wants to do 1,000,000 overdubs, I don't need to be there until midnight listening to them all. If the band can't play the tunes live with no mistakes, they're under-rehearsed and shouldn't be wasting studio time.

Audiences on TV shows clapping along to the music.

Shouldn't this be on the "Guitars with faces" thread?

Or a compelte lack of earth. If a venue has different ring voltages on the earth, that's not good and implies a problem with the ring earth somewhere. The earths in a building should be common.

The shocks I've recieved are where someone has removed an earth to prevent a ground loop hum. Eg. Guitar amp (hand) to Microphone (mouth) where the Pa Earth has been removed to prevent hum from Keys.

ŴThe two reasons seem to be: The singer is inexperienced. The guitarist is difficult to get along with. My view would be to say that you were hoping the band would be gigging by now and thought that following the open night there are a number of things you need to address before you're ready to gig. Maybe have a 'nice' list. From there, you can either judge the mood or suggest they find a bass player who is more aligned with their timeline and experience. I don't know. It's difficult to say that without sounding pompous. 🤣

I've just seen the new Ibanez Prestige range. This thread is keeping me honest. <repeat> I don't need a new bass, I've fixed mine. <until false>

As ever - context is everything. I saw a band on Friday night Papa Shango. Adult rock (Limp Bizkit?) pantomime on steroids is how I'd describe it. Female and male lead singers, 4 backing singers and a lead guitarist wandering around the floor. Rhythm, bass and drums occasionally joining them. Walking round the audience with squirty cream, biscuits, water pistols, it was a full on audience participation. If they're playing local go and watch it, even if the music isn't your cup of brandy. I'm all for that kind of ridiculousness. We have a tendency to take ourselves far too seriously.

That's an interesting take.

Non-black extension leads. When I did theatre work, nothing on stage should be visible if it's not a prop or a performer.

Music stands.