TimR

[quote name='Steve Browning' timestamp='1503312472' post='3357037'] I'm pretty laid back myself unless some complete tool spells an English word with its US spelling. [/quote] I think that may have gone over a lot of people's heads. Very good. 10/10.

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1503328201' post='3357292'] Yes , but my point was it was accepted as a rock culture thing and evolved slightly into a more passive thing in certain sub cultures , recent modern events have taken that away and make the dukes of hazard rasict The Union Jack is hard to interpret , if you see one hanging out a window , do you think EDL or royalist who is proud of multicultural inclusive society [/quote] Exactly.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1503328040' post='3357288'] I'm confused. Are you slagging off Sun readers while at the same time saying they know more about history than you? [/quote] No. History is just remembering facts and stories. It doesn't require any intelligence. I'm not slagging anyone off, it's just a story that I'm not particilarly interested in, haven't read and haven't been told. Seems everyone, so far, on this thread has been told about it in some capacity or another. Don't see anyone who learned about it in school. We certainly didn't cover the American civil war. Most of what we learned was uk insutrial revolution and the war years.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1503327550' post='3357278'] You didn't. I did. Clearly from some of the other people who recommended books and the like, they did too. [/quote] Yes. And Sun readers.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1503325321' post='3357248'] To the inventors of it. To those who displayed it while fighting for the right to keep slaves. To those who display it now, in 2017, while wearing White Power type t-shirts and carrying banners with similar slogans. By all means think of it as a cool bit of design (it is), but don't for a minute believe that it is anything other than a symbol of racism, and even if there are other meanings, the racist element overshadows every neutral or positive slant you might think (without you reading any actual books on the subject) you can apply to it. The fact that many British people, or even European people might not recognise it is as vile as other examples in history does not mean it isn't. It just means more education is needed. [/quote] The point I'm making is that prior to 2015 and the last few days it doesn't seem to have been a issue whatsoever to fly it. In the few articles I've read on the last few hours it seems only to have been a real issue (for the majority of people) in the US since 2015. The fact people in the Uk now know about it, I would suggest, is because it's been seen on mainstream media at Charlottesville. And there was an article in the Sun newspaper three days ago. Certainly I'd say the reason I know nothing about it is because I've been totally ignoring most of that story (and don't read The Sun) I wonder how many people replying on this thread knew about the connotations previous to this week, or before 2015?

[quote name='fftc' timestamp='1503323532' post='3357214'] Of course they are. That's how google works. And the confederate flag has been a hot topic recently. That doesn't mean for one second that the flag has only represented racism, slavery, subjugation, segregation etc for the last couple of weeks. It has represented that since the civil war! [/quote] To some people.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1503321832' post='3357189'] Nonsense? Like this, that was only dropped because plod couldn't prove who put it in the window? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-15429369 [/quote] Why was it bought to the police's attention? Who complained? And Why? The article is very scant on details of the neighbours relationship leading up to the event.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1503321760' post='3357184'] Tim 'googled it' R [/quote] Indeed. It doesn't take long to type confederate flag into Google and the first few hits are all from the last few days about various people taking down or refusing to take down the flags. Which don't seem to have been an issue up to now.

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1503321144' post='3357173'] [b] [size=4][color="#000000"]No doubt it would be difficult to prove INTENT on your behalf - but do you want the hassle of defending this sort of thing? Do you want that in the local press? Mud like that sticks forever [/color]The flag is one thing - the nooses would probably tip a jury over the edge.[/size][/b] [b] [color=#EA6C26][size=1]I[/size][/color]Incitement to Racial Hatred - Part III Public Order Act 1986[/b] [color=#333333][size=3] For an offence to be committed under any of these sections of the Public Order Act 1986, there has to be one of the acts described therein: it has to be "threatening, abusive or insulting", and it has to be intended to or likely in all the circumstances to stir up racial hatred.[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] The words "threatening, abusive or insulting" are to be given their ordinary meaning and case law dealing with other provisions of the Public Order Act 1986 can assist with this.[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] Racial hatred is defined in section 17 of the Act. The prosecution must prove that hatred was intended to be stirred up or that it was likely to be stirred up. "Likely" does not mean that racial hatred was simply possible. We therefore have to examine the context of any behaviour very carefully, in particular the likely audience, as this will be highly relevant.[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights [ECHR] allows freedom of expression save in certain limited circumstances. These circumstances include the offences contained within Part III of the Public Order Act 1986 (ss18-23).[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] Additionally, Article 17 of the Convention states: "Nothing in this Convention may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein or at their limitation to a greater extent than is provided for in the Convention." Relevant case law includes [i]Glimmerveen and Hagenbeek v Netherlands[/i] 18 DR [1987] and [i]Kuhnen v Germany[/i] 56 DR [1988].[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] In deciding upon the public interest of charging these offences it is essential that prosecutors keep in mind that in a free, democratic and tolerant society people are able to robustly exchange views, even when these may cause offence. However, the rights of the individual to freedom of expression must be balanced against the duty of the state to act proportionately in the interests of public safety, to prevent disorder and crime, and to protect the rights of others.[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] All such allegations are by their very nature highly sensitive. For that reason, and to ensure a consistent approach, any allegation under this legislation, must be referred by the relevant CPS Area to the Special Crime & Counter Terrorism Division (SCCTD). Referral means the submission of a report by the Area to enable SCCTD and the Area to have an informed discussion about where the responsibility for the case should lie.[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] When an Area becomes aware of such a case, it should be referred to SCCTD within seven days. If it is decided that the case should be prosecuted as an offence of incitement to racial hatred, SCCTD will take over the conduct of the case from the Area. If SCCTD considers that it is clearly a case where incitement to racial hatred does not apply, the case should be returned to the Area within seven days of that decision being made.[/size][/color][color=#333333][size=3] If SCCTD decides to deal with a case, the file is held there and dealt with there. Thereafter, cases can only proceed with the consent of the Attorney General.[/size][/color] [/quote] Relax. It's just a flag. They're not holding a rally and making hate speeches. What a load of nonsense.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503320502' post='3357159'] I think quite a lot would. The confederate army was fighting to keep slavery. That's what the civil war was about. My knowledge of American history is scant, but I do know that at least. [/quote] No. In the US upto about a year ago it was just seen by the majority of Americans as a symbol of southern American pride. It's only in the last few weeks it's become more than that by a larger proportion. The war wasn't about Slavery as such but the right to keep their lives the same, which included keeping slaves. Looks like an awful lot of big, long established American institutions are now hurriedly removing the flag from their premises, ensignia and regalia and distancing themselves from it. That's very sad.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1503319975' post='3357151'] ^^^ This is evident. [/quote] What proportion of the UK do you think do? I think it's nonsense to believe that people in the UK flying confederate flags are white supremacists. In the same way as assuming anyone flying a Union Jack votes UKIP. It's all about context.

I have absolutely no interest in American history and until I read this thread I had no idea that the flag had anything to do with white supremacists. It's just one of the old pre-independence US flags. I really can't believe anyone in the UK would believe you were white supremacists. Is there even such a thing in the UK?

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1503167136' post='3356222'] I'll spare you the horror story behind '[i]Catherine et son ensemble[/i]' (recounted elsewhere here...); I agree that it is all too often the case that the inviting band turns out to be not as 'inviting' as all that..! That's part of the deal, though; when it's good, it is very, very good, but when it is bad it is rotten..! [/quote] My gig last night went down well with the audience. The band were ok, but not excellent or terrible. We got paid more than agreed, so that's always a bonus.

Arrived at the gig last night. Plugged my bass in, did a level check. All was good. Unplugged my bass (active Ibanez) went away and socialised until we were due to start. Went back on stage and tried to plug my bass in. Jack wouldn't go in at all. Gave bass a shake and a small piece of metal fell out of the jack socket. That's the socket broken then. Spare bass came out straight away.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1503037996' post='3355166'] Yes. I have a compression dial on my Warrick ProFet amp. I leave it set at 3. Everything else is flat and I don't use pedals. [/quote] Changed my mind. The dial is set to 3 but at last nights gig I realised the compression button is out. So... No, I never use compression.

Sounds like the whole band has some communication issues to me.

1967 on Play School, on bananas coming down the stairs.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1503050124' post='3355302'] Have any originals bands used a Dep? Or have anyone here Depped with an originals band? How did it go? In my case as described [url=http://basschat.co.uk/topic/310399-should-i-cancel-gig-i-am-going-to-for-my-bands-gig/page__view__findpost__p__3354111]here[/url] it was OK but ultimately I don't think it did the band any favours, and in retrospect we probably shouldn't have played the gigs in the first place. [/quote] I depped with an originals band. Fairly complex songs with strong bass lines. But luckily most originals bands only have maybe 10-15 songs to learn. I was ready to gig after about 3 rehearsals but for various reasons (including writing a new tune, and one of the guitarists forgetting to turn up ) I think we had about 6. I don't think anyone would dep for an originals band without rehearsals.

Yes. I have a compression dial on my Warrick ProFet amp. I leave it set at 3. Everything else is flat and I don't use pedals.

[quote name='hiram.k.hackenbacker' timestamp='1502976743' post='3354811'] There is no definitive answer to this. For all the 'we had two deps and it went better than usual' anecdotes there are just as many that ended in a car crash. Don't get me wrong, a lot of my gigs are dep positions and I really enjoy doing it, but with the tribute band we made the decision early on that it would be too much aggravation. Not a vanity thing, just a decision for that particular band. All the other bands I play in regularly use deps. [/quote] That's fair enough. It really depends on the people who want to do the gig. I suppose if the band leader says no, you're not doing the gig as it'll affect the image and the rest of the musicians still want to do the gig, youneitger have a mutiny or they do the gig under a different name. It also depends quite a bit on why the (insert musician here) can't make the gig. I've played in bands where one member refused to play certain types of gigs, or gigs travelling more than an hour. The rest of the band got tired of never doing any gigs.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1502966924' post='3354694'] I find it both amusing and instructive to see the differing attitudes of folks to the notion of change. Some with a hyper-conservative attitude ('It wouldn't be the same...'), others welcoming the fresh approach brought by a relative stranger to the affair. No judgement here; both are legitimate, and perfectly respectable, but interesting just the same to imagine the differing personalities behind these reactions, highlighting the vast diversity of BC, and, to an extent, the population in general. A gold mine for the psychologists among us..! Just sayin'. [/quote] I think it's an experience and comfort thing rather than strictly a personality thing. The more bands you play in, the more different musicians you play with, the more often you step out of your comfort zone and it just becomes easier to do. I played in a band where the drummer was adamant we'd never get deps in as it wouldn't work. When the Guitarist couldn't make a fairly big gig at short notice I said let's get a dep. The drummer threw a hissy fit and said it would be terrible, he won't play with a dep, pulled out and said to cancel the gig. So we bought in a dep drummer as well. The gig actually went better than usual.

I have a dep gig on Saturday. I've done a few dep gigs in my time, some gigs where no member of the band has met before. A few weeks ago I stood in for one number for a bit of fun. I've had deps stand in for gigs in bands I've been in. I've played all night as a house bassist at jam sessions. I've depped in originals bands. It's just a different mindset. There's a lot of very precious people out there who believe they can't be replaced. You just need to make sure your band and the dep have the ability to be flexible. Some bands can only play songs exactly as they've rehearsed and exactly as per the recording. They have no ability to cover when things get a bit loose.

Yes. Normally you'd get a dep in but depends on what your band does (cover standards or complicated originals) and by the sounds of it the Guitarist doesn't really know what he is doing so it's a car crash in the making. If you're trying to get a band off the ground, car crashes are something you want to avoid.

I'd be looking for a new band. Neither of the other two seem to have a clue about being in or running a band.

Ok. It's actually more simple than it first appears. You subtract the interval from 9 and major becomes minor and vice versa. Thanks for that. No wonder I always get confused going down intervals (although it's very rare that it's called) E.g. Down a m2 is up a Maj7 Down a Maj2 is up a m7 Down a m3 is up a Maj6. Down a Maj3 is up a m6 Etc Is that right?