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[quote name='BigRedX' post='906193' date='Jul 26 2010, 06:53 PM']BTW what's muscle memory got to do with it?[/quote] Everything. I sometimes get calls to do gigs where I don't know all the tunes, and the gig is later that night. You know a bit of the tune in the back of your head, or you might have played it before years previously, so you have to recount it there and then. But... then I think bass players have the luxury of not being too concerned with the details of everything, unless it's a very specific bass line. Pino Palladino talked about his 'trust chops', i.e. when he's got a lot of stuff to play for a gig he'll trust his memory to recount a lot of what comes next. If you're wrong, it's not the end of the world, move on.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='906152' date='Jul 26 2010, 06:19 PM']Well I'm proud to say that I don't know how to play any of the bass lines suggested, except for "All Right Now" and that's only because one of the bands I'm in at the moment do it.[/quote] Is that because you don't know the tunes or is it because you find it hard to pick the bass lines up through muscle memory? EDIT - sorry if that seemed a bit arsey! Just curious really, having played in a covers band for a while I've got good at recounting the classic pub rock anthems

Bass lines everyone should know... as in to play or just to know instinctively? In any case here's some some I think were landmarks: - Paul Chambers on 'So What' - Miles Davis - James Jamerson on 'I Was Made to Love Her' - Stevie Wonder - Paul McCartney on 'Something' - The Beatles (obv) - Bernard Edwards on 'Good Times' - Chic - Greg Philinganes on Billie Jean - Michael Jackson - Anthony Jackson on 'For the Love of Money' - The O'Jays - Jean-Jacques Burnel on 'Peaches' - the Stranglers - Tony Levin on 'Sledgehammer' - Peter Gabriel But to name a few!

[quote name='KERMITNT' post='905656' date='Jul 26 2010, 12:15 PM']So name the best bass for that works all around and has a special position tou your heart The best bass that ever played own is my Fbass BN5 the reason is SOUND 1) Awsome sound through the mix can fit in any style 2) Many features flexible preamp: hum backers/single coils vol , vol , treble , passive active control and 3 band boost eg 3)B is a killer QUALITY Top quality in every way 1) frets 2)electronics 3)woods 4) finish all so well cared i never seen before maybe is equal to Jerzy Drodz that i one played (awsome bass too) PLAYABILITY 1)The best feel play low action bass ever. 2)19mm that i love 3)never need tuning is amazing 4)a bit of chunky neck not to much though to put your left thump in order to get the nice position... [/quote] Not fair! Wanted an F-Bass ever since I tried one out in NYC this April. Not into boutique basses but I would snap an F-Bass up no doubt. Haven't actually got a bass right now I'm 100% into so I'll have to get back to this once I do

[quote name='JTUK' post='905324' date='Jul 25 2010, 10:50 PM']No problem with it if it is played as a definitive line. I have more of an issue with the keyboards left hand not staying out of the way of a bass.[/quote] Okay, then how about sequenced bass then? Can it make for an interesting bass part or is it out of the question for you? Forgot to add this part in my original post

Greg Phillinganes and Stevie are the guys for me. Tasteful, absolutely mind-blowing left hand bass lines!

Fairly self-explanatory really! How do you feel about synthesised bass? Do you feel it adds a new dimension to the low end of a mix, or do you think it cheapens what you've been practicing long and hard to do all of these years? Or maybe even somewhere in between all of this? My thoughts are that I love playing synth bass live (I use a Korg R3 but would kill for a Moog Little Phatty). As far as I'm concerned I think some of my favourite bass parts have been synth bass (Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson's stuff, a lot of electronic stuff I listen to), and it doesn't bother me much at all. What I enjoy doing more is replicating (or at least trying to replicate) that cool quantized feel of a lot of synth bass on regular bass guitar, I think it makes for good practice. But that's just me. Any thoughts/opinions/experiences on the subject? Hopefully not too heated, I'd be interested in hearing everyones thoughts!

[quote name='Waldo' post='904887' date='Jul 25 2010, 04:59 PM']I have to admit, those guitars look absolutely wonderful[/quote] Plus to the 1. They look cracking.

[quote name='garethox' post='903418' date='Jul 23 2010, 05:27 PM']Allow me to counter with - btw there is no 'h' in Entwistle, if you're going to drub someone at least spell their name right! I don't understand your opinion but you're entitled to it and while it is absolutely OK to not like his style and tone it is not cool to call someone (living or dead) , how did you delicately put it, a 'pretentious twat' for absolutely no reason at all. John was neither for your information. If you don't think Entwistle sounded good on 'Who's Next'; 'Quadrophenia' and 'The Who by Numbers' to name but three - then I don't know what to say! McCartney's bass playing was pretty uninteresting before 'Revolver', 'Rain' etc; John started off with 'My Generation' and kept moving forward - helping to advance string and amplification/effects technology along the way. To say he sounded 'sh*t' is, IMO, slightly misinformed as is 'sh*t looking'. His Alembic's, Gibson's, Fenderbirds, Status' are, IMO, some of the greatest looking instruments ever picked up; but what has image to do with talent anyways? If it means that much to you, take a look at your Avatar (just a joke!!!) As for his live tone from '99 to '02, I know it isn't to everyones taste but he was going deaf at a tremendous rate and that tone helped him hear what he was doing. He wanted to keep playing by whatever means possible and that was it. Can't argue with you on the songwriting front though! Re: Macca - he is a solid, intelligent bass player who does what the song requires in a melodic and often interesting way and he wrote some of the greatest songs ever in many peoples opinions. The man has melody seeping out of his pores and is a legend. Someone mentioned John would agree that Macca was a good bassist - he did but he was also annoyed that Paul kept winning 'Best Bass Player' in all the polls way back when![/quote] Garethox, I'd probably ignore what thisnameistaken has to say, he's the sort of person that likes to throw rocks at things and see what happens on impact. For what it's worth though, Entwhistle and McCartney were both great players, not worth comparing in the least as they are most massively different.

I would like to think that no one would be daft enough to think Jamerson was anything less than a master. I get why people wouldn't like the music (although that seems equally difficult to comprehend), but to deny his ability and skill is mental. As it happens, this thread seems to have gone in a really positive way, which I'm delighted about

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902741' date='Jul 23 2010, 03:00 AM']If anyone started telling me that they were better than (insert any name here) I would immediately think 'I doubt it' and the bigger the name the more I would doubt it. Anyone who might really be considered better than (insert any name here) wouldn't need to say it.[/quote] A huge +1 from me.

[quote name='Big_Stu' post='902737' date='Jul 23 2010, 02:39 AM']Now you're saying "post" - I saw "thread", big difference. The guy ventured an opinion, the main thing wrong with his statement is using the word "most" I'd say. I wouldn't say "most" pub band players were better, but there could well be some. I knew a guitarist in Edinburgh who was leagues ahead of most major league names/players; I guess he just didn't get the breaks. I reckon 100's pf people across the world could say the same thing. But put the word "most" in it?? Nah.[/quote] Well forget the part where I said about it being a McCartney loving post, I was in retrospect wrong about that. Even if it was then it should be allowed for people to voice their opinions regardless. Point being that if the guy had worded his post like you just did he might have endeared himself a little better. It's such a stupid argument anyway, with no ground for reasonable discussion when you're claiming to be better than Paul McCartney. It's just wrong in so many ways.

[quote name='Big_Stu' post='902731' date='Jul 23 2010, 02:17 AM']Not in the thread title I'm seeing on my monitor it isn't. And since when is an opinion such as the one you quoted in need of any kind of "roasting" at all?[/quote] Did we read the same post? The guy was saying with the greatest of confidence that his ability eclipsed that of Paul McCartney. You'll forgive me when I say I'll believe it when I see it. And I quote: [quote]most pub players including my humble self are light years in front of [McCartney][/quote] You've got to admit... there's a sh*t lot wrong with that statement.

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902719' date='Jul 23 2010, 01:57 AM']The phrase actually used - i.e. 'most pub players including my humble self are light years in front of [McCartney]' - could easily go in Basschat's Famous Quotes thread. It was definitely a bit of a roaster itself.[/quote] It definitely made me lose faith in the sanity of the common man for a few seconds.

[quote]Never in my life have I seen so many patronising tw@ts all in one thread. Is no-one allowed to have their own opinion on this forum without being slagged for it?[/quote] It's a thread about loving McCartney. It stands to reason that if you refer to him as a twat and go on slagging him off then you're going to get minced. If he'd said something like 'I'm not a fan of McCartney, but each to their own' etc. then it wouldn't have merited the same roasting.

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902689' date='Jul 23 2010, 01:22 AM']Correct, Collins is a very good drummer.[/quote] Yep, a massive +1. Peoples ideas of musicians in the public eye seems to be that this makes them inferior musicians. You only have to listen to A Hot Night In Paris to realise that not only is Phil Collins a good drummer, the caliber of musicians on that tour wouldn't even entertain the idea of playing with him if he wasn't.

No problems here.

[quote name='Mr Fudge' post='902671' date='Jul 23 2010, 01:01 AM']Most pub players including my humble self are light years in front of this raven haired twat. He has grasped defeat from the jaws of victory with over 30 years of solo pap. I would like to bring Neil Young to the witness stand to show the world how to remain a dignified artist over 40+ years. As for the 60's ??? I'm no expert but I seem to remember a nifty player called the ox? Not popular I know ... but I just can't see it. I suppose Phil Collins is a great drummer? [/quote] Disparaging Paul McCartney is a little like saying J.S Bach wasn't all he was cracked up to be. It's bollocks basically. Opinions aside, I'm sure if you got the chance to speak to John Entwhistle (god rest his soul), he'd tell you that Paul was a more than capable player who had a profound affect on The Who, and every other single band since the Beatles existence, whether they were aware of it or not.

Love it. Nathan Watts is right up there in my favourite players. Not only is he a complete genius, but if you're Stevie's MD and right hand man then you're doing something right.

[quote name='Pete Academy' post='902365' date='Jul 22 2010, 09:16 PM']On the early Beatles songs - which were my era - I can't hear anything special at all. I've often heard people mention him, but can't hear anything different from the other 60s bands. Please enlighten me to something that he did that was special.[/quote] So much Pete! Something, Penny Lane, Don't Let Me Down, the whole of Abbey Road. If you listen to his approach to bass he's completely unique, there is no one like him out there.

Amazing bass player and currently on of my favourites. He's a bass player that has adapted his playing to his singing, and very much sounds like a guitarist that plays bass, something I don't deem to be a bad thing at all as it gives him a great melodic approach to playing. I think he's superb.

We do a version of 'I Wish', check it out here. Recording is a few years old. [url="http://soundcloud.com/biker-groove-party-band/sets/biker-groove-party-band"]http://soundcloud.com/biker-groove-party-b...oove-party-band[/url] Played most of the tunes at one time or another!

[quote name='urb' post='901608' date='Jul 22 2010, 09:00 AM']I used to feel the same way about him - I never really dug him past his School Days album - wasn't a fan of the the Clarke/George Duke stuff at all - BUT having got into his last couple of albums and then seen him at Ronnie's last week I can honestly say I'm now a fan and he is without doubt playing at the very top of his game. I can only second all the positive comments here about the Ronnie's gig - a truly mind blowing band of young players - with Stan the wise jazz elder at the front - he played he ass off on both electric and acoustic basses and the material was really good as well. I interviewed him on Friday for BGM and he was very, very cool in person - I've met him before when he was touring the RTF band a couple of years ago - he seems very happy with life right now and has some more exciting new projects in the works - so look out for the piece in next month's mag. M[/quote] Yeh I know his playing is excellent, he just doesn't personally fit in with what I look for in a bass player. I like some of his upright playing though! It's one of those things isn't it... I love Jaco for example but I know he's not for everyone. Still doesn't detract from his awesome ability and musical prowess.

Their horn section is sick! Absolutely amazing players!