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[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1355505893' post='1899440'] Yeah, sorry, i'm just a bit of a state today. [/quote] It's fine, it's not my intention to browbeat you into accepting this stuff so sorry if it came across as such. BRX said it all, music should be something you love, and it sounds like we're similar in our passion for music so that's what really matters. The big suits will forever be the people that carve up the takings.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1355499337' post='1899306'] I don't think i am looking at it through rose tinted glasses, i know what goes on. But money = the corruption of any person, organisation or industry. That's where the entire thing fell down really, seeing that they could sell more than just music. Personally, i wouldn't mind recording and putting out my own CD, and not worrying about any of that PR stuff, and just letting whatever money it makes come to me. Doesn't matter to me. If somebody wants to listen to me, they will buy my CD. [/quote] 'Money = the corruption of any person, organisation or industry'. Kind of an ironic statement don't you think? Money is industry, period. You're obviously passionate about music and I really like that but I think you're struggling to separate what constitutes good music from the industry that deals with music as a commodity.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1355493167' post='1899168'] Maybe she should look at other careers that would use those attributes and skills without forcing her to mime all the time? [/quote] Why in god's name would you do that when you could make millions and millions of pounds like she does, doing what she does already? It would be a terrible decision and let's face it, any qualms about integrity are usually the first thing to go when you get offered the kind of money we're talking about. I think you might be viewing the industry with rose-tinted specs on because it is largely a myth that artists will appear on the airwaves, the top 40 and on TV etc based on merit. Certainly not nowadays and never directly in the 60's, 70's 80's either. The people that bring you music are the people that run the industry, they're the people that want to generate a profit from what they do and like a lot of big business integrity doesn't even creep into the equation. They want to squeeze profit from an artist, with Cheryl Cole it's like shooting fish in a barrel with young girls because everybody wants to look like her, sing like her, be her etc.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1355491843' post='1899130'] Yes, this is what i mean when i talk about artists that are marketable. It's nearly like the music comes as a bonus, rather than a necessity. They want somebody cool, good looking, who can maybe dance a bit, and would be a bit of a role model for kids. I agree with you 100%, he is totally marketable, but so it Justin Bieber, Nicki Minaj, Cheryl Cole. I'm not comparing him to them, but i just wanted to be clear on what marketable means, it's not always about your ability to song or write songs. [/quote] All music is a subjective topic, we all like different things but it's fair to say that it's got to be less than half at what investors in new music look for. We'd be completely kidding ourselves if we were to believe that artists are added to label's rosters on the strengths of their music alone, after all how could the labels expect to make any kind of return? It needs to sell, they need an image to work with. Clearly someone out there thinks that Jake Bugg has this. Lana Del Ray, I'd heard of her and seen her before I'd even heard her music. She was propelled to stardom on the strength of literally nothing, she released her album a few months after. It's increasingly the framework that new artists are developed, it has little to do with music at all.

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1355480802' post='1898861'] So WHY is everyone flocking to this NOW? I really don't understand people. [/quote] It's really simple, he's got money behind him, and it's bought him marketing power which has in return brought him to the attention of both you and me. I know a million and one people who are interchangeable for this guy, that's not to detract from his talent but like you say, it's nothing new. Someone behind a desk somewhere has decided that he's worth investing in. It speaks volumes that I knew who this guy was before I'd even heard his music does it not? I predict that he'll go thale way of Miles Kane and flop eventually once he doesn't sell enough albums to pay off the label. Not me being negative intentionally, just my prediction.

Looks like an ad created by someone with no idea how to create an ad. I'd agree it's a pretty unfortunate turn of phrase.

What's funny is that everyone I know who has met Noel and Liam (quite a few connections through their drummer Chris Sharrock) say that Liam is far easier, downright pleasant in fact to talk to in comparison to Noel, who I know can be incredibly difficult. Public perception would suggest that this is the other way round.

Musicians talk about Oasis like it's a crime to like them sometimes. Their first two albums were really great, especially Definitely Maybe, Noel Gallagher can write a song, no question. Have to agree on the bass parts being totally balls though. I suppose they were never about the bass. Andy Bell was (is) a good bass player though IMO.

[quote name='Martin E' timestamp='1355156719' post='1894740'] ...don't you think? [/quote] Definitely!

[quote name='Killerfridge' timestamp='1355156738' post='1894741'] Well, there goes my help! [/quote] Sorry dude! Not my intention to rebuff so badly, my original guess was RHT too but I've seen a lot of speculation on the subject of who played and I think that the only people who know are the people in the studio that day. That Joeri Hommerson sounds nothing short of a bit mad, he claims to have played with Jamiroquai back in 1989, three years before the band even existed.

[quote name='Killerfridge' timestamp='1355145139' post='1894540'] I thought it was generally considered to be Randy Hope-Taylor or Andrew Levvy? Either way, I doubt we will ever find out the truth. [/quote] It's not RHT, he's denied it and the way Mr X has been described by Jay Kay and Zender wouldn't suggest that he was a particularly nice person to work with. Seeing as Randy has since recorded a lot with Jamiroquai and I've heard he's incredibly nice, I would presume it wasn't him although I used to. Sounds to busy to be Levy to me.

[quote name='White Cloud' timestamp='1355080974' post='1893835'] Lakland = Fender killers. I have owned several Lakland Skylines and whenever I compared them to US Fenders there was no comparison. Just my tuppence worth. Never played the Dunn model but played a couple of Glaubs and they were really wonderful P basses. [/quote] Absolutely agreed.

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1355103486' post='1894190'] There's been no official announcement,but apparently it was Dutch bass player Joeri Hommerson. [/quote] This was only speculation and the guy you mention has been shown to be fairly lax with his use of the truth. No one knows apart from the band and the guy that played. Stuart Zender got really annoyed that Jay got a new bassist in whilst he was taking a brief break from the band to deal with some domestic issues. Jay said he was arrogant to deal with, although that's pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

[quote name='BassPimp66' timestamp='1354612606' post='1887926'] Fair point on the knobs. Roger provides the same plasticky knobs on the NYC models he sells for $5,000 . I think it wouldn't be too much to ask for matching chrome knobs here. The string retainers work and look fine for me. [/quote] I really like the knobs on Sadowskys and I doubt the string retainer would present a problem for me either. It's a lovely bass.

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1354979603' post='1892575'] I don't know about that,but the album is recorded over a couple of nights,and there appears to be a splice towards the end. [/quote] Like I say, only rumours I've heard and nothing substantiated. It wouldn't matter either way to me as it is a triumph of bass playing.

It's my favourite Donnie Hathaway track! I heard a while back that it's largely overdubbed, but what a bass line.

The end of Abbey Road (the medleys) is a highlight for me of what MacCartney could bring to a group of songs. He was a terrific bass player.

Unfortunately though once you've put your output into the public domain it is open to criticism, that's the risk you take. Whether or not people offer constructive criticism + examples of their own playing or they choose to be completely disparaging isn't out decision. It's the Internet, you'll always get the keyboard warriors.

How did a inane musical question get turned into a religious conundrum at only 3 posts in? Only on Basschat!

Well he's managed to slay one of my all time favourite bass parts in that first vid, although I can't care too much because he's only having fun, probably not taking himself as seriously as we think he is.

You mean the thing where you play all the strings at once and it shows them up which ones are in tune and which ones aren't? The big one doesn't do that on bass either. Tl be quite honest it's completely hit or miss on guitar too! Bit gimicky if you ask me, but overall it's a really great tuner and I love mine.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1354830001' post='1891098'] I don't care what a 14 year old would think. I just don't inhabit that world. Toughen-up sonny, life aint kind. Sorry, I'm just not standing for this crap where people come on and ask for this nonsense Jealousy, bitterness? well of course, I'm an adult, so I'm riddled with it. But I don't look for others endorsement of it. [/quote] I agree that the premise of the thread is rubbish, but younger generations have the right to explore music without getting hounded. And if you're riddled with jealousy and bitterness then give some thought to if you had a son or daughter of this age, who knows, maybe you do. The trial by fire thing is total bollocks and no, I won't endorse it, it's a shame it is entertained in this context at all.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1354826542' post='1891046'] Bring this Sprog before me when he has walked in the Desert for a while and I might survey his work. [/quote] That's the attitude that I DON'T agree with whatsoever. This kind of remark would have crushed me when I was 14 years old, luckily now I'm a bit older and understand that youngsters have the right to enjoy the right to play music without older generations stifling and critiquing their musicianship every step of the way with the 'walk the desert' talk. The part of this thread that I disagree with is the format at which he is being presented to me, frankly I think it's a massive downer when I see comments like this one. Whether it's jealousy or bitterness I don't know.

Ooh, Osborn's bass tone, lovely! The rest of it, well... he's only 14. He can grow into music like we all do eventually. I'd encourage any young person who shows a talent for music, but then the video or his music isn't the thing I take issue with here.

Inclined to agree with the rant, not trying to put the boot in either. I'm glad the lad has done well, best of luck to him and to his future tutoring with an all time great but the biggest lesson Joe Osborn can offer this lad is hard work can pay off big time, flash in the pan competitions on FB mean squat. Wish him all the best though.