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[quote name='AndyBob09' timestamp='1343811914' post='1755461'] "The gift he was given"?!?! Please! Not one of us has a gift. Jamerson didn't have a gift, Jaco, Mark King, Wooten, Marcus - They don't have gifts. They sit and shed for HOURS. You see them on stage and hear them on a record for a moment, what you don't see is their lifetime of dedication to make that moment seem so effortless. Gift indeed! [/quote] Nature vs. nurture. The verdict is still out on this right? Obviously it's a healthy dose of both for the best players out there, but I can't help feeling that with someone like Jamerson, it must have been the way he was wired. No one plays like that without being intrinsically musical, the hard work of 'shedding' comes after.

[quote name='paul_5' timestamp='1343723295' post='1754036'] Jeff Ament? [/quote] I'm not saying 'don't play rock with a fretless'. I'm saying it will never work for me personally.

If I didn't play in a rock band or perhaps mostly played on ballad-type tunes then I'd be happy as a fretless player as well. Best of luck to you.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1343378380' post='1749683'] They both slap, its just LG is unfathomably funky, whereas LJ overblows it a tad and although very impressive (especially at the time) is just not as greasy fried chicken/illicit nookie in the back seat funky as LG - IMO.... [/quote] Louis Johnson was better on record than by himself. Example: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTBcOWmmHGI[/media] I prefer Louis Johnson's playing overall, he always just struck me as a much more competent player on record than Larry was, and not just as a slap player. But I think they're both great and they both have their place.

I think to the people making the outlandish negative statements concerning Joy Division's influence on music are probably barking up the wrong tree. They laid the blueprint for a lot of other bands that came after them. It's not easy music to get into though, and they are perhaps difficult to like. Ian Curtis had a fine mind and he was a great lyricist, more of a poet actually. Peter Hook is what he is. I wouldn't describe him as a brilliant bass player but as we well know, perfection isn't everything. He's distinct and has had a big influence on a lot of players.

[quote name='OliverBlackman' timestamp='1342959104' post='1743111'] I think it could be a lot better. For example there were a few mistakes. When your in the recording studio and you make a mistake, you stop and re record it. I think the same should be done for tuition videos. [/quote] I'll tell you why that's probably the wrong way to do it and how the two things you mention aren't comparable. The continuous flow of Scott's dialogue during the course of the video, mistakes or none, represents an easy way for the viewer to relate to a much more real and almost interactive lesson. Perfection means nothing, as no one is perfect. Watching someone like Scott make mistakes and then to go back and correct them just means that he's being honest with himself and honest with the viewer. You've got to remember with videos like Scott's, it's about the way he goes about communicating with you rather than how perfect his playing is. If he's able to get across a particular point or idea to you, then he's done a good job. The mistakes make the video far more visceral for the viewer.

I don't really watch that many Youtube bass lessons and haven't done for a number of years but Scott Devine's stuff is really very good. His explanation of the theory involved behind what he's doing in that particular video two posts up is clear and concise, and good for beginners to get to grips with.

Whilst I would encourage anyone and everyone who's ever held a bass to listen to James Jamerson, I don't think you'll greatly benefit from shedding too hard with your Jamerson parts in relation to what you're trying to aim for here. This is essentially what gets classified as 'neo-soul', and I would strongly recommend listening to Pino Palladino's bass playing with Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, Roy Hargrove and Bilal... there are plenty of others too. Another guy would be Adam Blackstone. Here he is in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=1GcWhIb7Hpw

[quote name='merello' timestamp='1342625200' post='1738127'] Bloody excellent mate! [/quote] Thank you, and to Flyfisher too! [quote name='Protium' timestamp='1342630529' post='1738310'] A "Beatles Experience" that involves music of The Beatles? What did you expect? Felt like they were "cashing in on the memory of the Beatles", this has got to be a wind up surely? [/quote] I must admit I do find it a little odd that people find it difficult to understand why the Cavern feels the need to 'cash in' on the Beatles. They're a very large part of Liverpool history, it's to be completely expected. And for those who aren't interested (of which I'm sure there will be many), there are plenty of other venues in Liverpool that have live music. Like Ste pointed out, the current resident band at Hannah's are brilliant (I've seen 'em twice now, just a great bunch of lads and one lady too).

Aghh you came a few weeks too late! We have a residency at the Cavern Club every other Sunday but we've been in Sweden playing. We're not a 'Beatles' cover band by any stretch of the imagination but we do a fair few Beatles tunes, plus a load of British rock tunes as well. Monday isn't a busy night in any city in England apart from London, so I'm hardly surprised you didn't get any live music on the night. The Cavern Club is what it is... a shrine to the Beatles. It's a tourist trap, but I happen to think that you probably just got very unlucky with the days that you chose to go, it's usually pretty lively. Sunday afternoons are usually best. Here's my band playing one of our regular slots. Sorry you had no luck this time! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhjYlyGQrfk&feature=relmfu

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1342623399' post='1738078'] Nothing like making a new member feel welcome You guys are clearly even more jaded than me [/quote] I'm with you on this one. It's frustrating getting asked the same questions all the time but it's a pet peeve of mine to see experienced board members point people in the direction of the 'search' function when it's obvious that the OP is just wanting to get some advice and is most likely unaware of how seriously we can take ourselves from time to time! Get over it boys, answer the question. My (short) answer is to play with both, and to press home how unimportant it is that pick playing might well be seen as the less 'professional' way to do things. What a load of nonsense!

It's obviously a totally misguided point of view. The point being that whilst the instruments are certainly related and tuned similarly and even bare obvious aesthetic similarities, they are completely different to play in almost every way. It requires two totally different mindsets which are both hugely difficult to learn. Actually BRX summed it up anyway: [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1342376075' post='1733991'] Who cares? The most important thing is to be a good songwriter. Without songs there's nothing for any instrument to play. [/quote]

Great shout, I think it's pretty fantastic that Kasabian exist in such a time of dreary, awful music. I love how psychedelic their stuff can be. Their first album didn't leave my walkman for a long time.

This will go with time I should imagine. Obviously the callouses on your fingers will still be developing as a relatively new player so it will be some time before they are thick enough. The nerve endings in your fingers will soon learn to deal with what you're doing to them.

Fair enough I guess. He's not a great bass player but if they're looking to keep the lineup original for their last ever tour then cool.

Yes, recently learnt to play it (well, the first 3 or 4 minutes of it). I got slightly obsessed with how Anthony Jackson crafted his bass lines a while back and this was one of the ones I looked at. Incredibly articulated yet angular part.

One of my favourite players at the moment.

I can't get with the floating thumb thing, although more recently I've been trying to involve my thumb a lot more in my playing (kind of like Matt Garrison's technique but less crazy fast and without my ring finger) and it's given me more need for sharper left-hand technique when I can't be anchoring my thumb. It's perfect acceptable to be using your 3rd and 4th fingers to mute. I use my 4th in conjunction with good muting control from my first and second fingers.

She's like my nan. But just really good at bass. Incredible career, she claims to have been making more than the President during her heyday of working in L.A. We all know the story with Jamerson etc. and it's frustrating to hear her talk about it, but I mean come on, just listen to Pet Sounds. Outstanding bass player.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1340669503' post='1708028'] Ah. Commiserations, and thanks for not boring the crap out of us. No really, bummer. [/quote] Thank you, I'm hopeful for the future though

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1340664271' post='1707948'] Nothing to post of major relevance?? What about the total life transformation causing music to take a back seat?? Argh! [/quote] Maybe a bad choice of words, but my intention was always to have a career with it. Now it's likely that I'm knocking that idea on the head. Sad, but unfortunately due to unforeseen circumstances likely. The inevitability of it makes it not worth talking about!

I always seem to get to topics like this too late for some reason. I can count a few members who only seem to use this forum as a place to sound off about politics and general social indignation in OT. It used to be something I got stuck into, but nowadays I can't be bothered. There's too much to worry about in real life for me to come on here in my own personal time only to be confronted with the stuff I have to worry about day in day out. I don't know why some people burden themselves with such madly contentious topics. Surely if we're going through tough times the last thing you'd want to do is convert a site dedicated to your hobby/passion/profession in some cases into a quagmire of tired political threads and tit-for-tat arguing? Seems daft to come online after a long hard day and carry on at being really pissed off. Maybe I'm missing something. As for me I'm going through a total transformation in life and my music is starting to take a back seat to other things so I don't feel like I have anything to post that is of any major relevance right now.

[quote name='SteveK' timestamp='1340659457' post='1707831'] where's the answer? [/quote] I didn't think there was one, just how the individual perceives the relevant intervals.

[quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1340653459' post='1707697'] i'll get around to doing this in a min, but the tritone is also known as the 'false octave'. it's my favourite interval, much underrated, and not part of many traditionally-taught scales. also 'the devil's interval' - ooo-er.. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritone[/url] [/quote] It's also incredibly difficult for untrained ears to pitch anyway because of how unnatural and jarring it is musically. Stravinsky was a big fan, plus everyone and anyone who came after him and took great influence from him. Leonard Bernstein, John Williams spring to mind.

I don't understand what it's trying to establish? Sure the harmonic content either side of the fundamental is dictating whether we hear the interval lower or higher, but if the level of the harmonic content is 'lob-sided' for lack of a better term from one sample to the next surely that doesn't make much of a test. EDIT - ahh I understand. It's interesting I guess, the way we perceive each sound is very individual though, so I'm guessing the whole point of it is that there are no right or wrong answers to it.