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[quote name='CaioBM' timestamp='1321977231' post='1445048'] But what other basses on that mark would you recommend? [/quote] You need to be the one to choose at the end of it all. You've stumbled onto a bass forum full of bass players, but we're all bass players of vastly differing opinions so what might be right for you might not be the same as the next person. I think the best thing you could possibly do is get down to the Bass Gallery in Camden,or one of the Guitarguitar stores and spend some time finding out what you like. Sites like this are good for clarification but they're not the be all and end all as we all have differing opinions on what's good and what isn't

[quote name='algmusic' timestamp='1321913782' post='1444458'] [b]let your ears decide[/b] not some idiots like us on basschat.. you're playing it not us [/quote] Absolutely!

[quote name='CaioBM' timestamp='1321821910' post='1443529'] Hey, bass brothers. I'm gonna buy a new bass, and I came to my ultimate decision (kind of). It's Warwick Corvette Standard vs Road Worn P vs Road Worn J. I'm new to the forum, so I would just like to know your opinion, and what other bass guitars you would recommend. [/quote] Welcome to the forum. I've owned all of the basses you've mentioned (kind of). You're comparing three distinctly different basses, all with their own characteristics and feel. The Warwick: Lovely sounding instrument, there is something incredibly unique about Warwick and their Ovangkol necks. Lovely, grindy, growly midrange thing that they have. I wouldn't own one again though, because I'm not mad on the neck shape and Warwick isn't my thing anymore. Personal preference though. Roadworn Jazz: Great instrument, can't help feeling like the quality control could be a lot better though for the asking price. They look the part, and you know where you stand with a good Jazz Bass. Sounded good! Roadworn P: Sounded great, but then I am a bit of a sucker for P's. Fat, warm, punchy. My choice would probably be this out of all three, but that's just me. The worn in finish is nice too, not convincing up close but no one's going to get that close at a gig anyway! My advice would be to go try them all out and figure out which one is best for you. Good luck with it.

Best bass player ever! Well, definitely my favourite anyway. He really is just incredible.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1321709526' post='1442242'] Adele has a totally stunning voice. I really like her tracks but totally over played which will ruin it....along with X Factor contestants thinking they have a voice like her. [/quote] I really like Adele, but she's not been very sensible with her voice of late. Hopefully she'll be on the mend after taking some time out.

I've only scan-read a lot of what's been said so I apologise if I repeat any of the points already made. I voted for the removal of the system, purely because I think that whilst some people's opinion's will conflict with others, neither is less valid if argued with due care and attention to the validity of one's argument and reasoned thinking. If a situation arose whereby a troll-like comment was made (for example), I would prefer to see the said post ousted by one or more of our intelligent regular posters (of which there are many) or for the mods to take action against the poster in question. The system as I see it at the moment probably serves to bolster more popular opinions, but in the context of reasoned argument an opinion no more valid than that from the opposing side, if that makes sense at all.

I'm a lefty but I play right handed, fortunately! (There's a lot more choice bass wise).

[quote name='Vibrating G String' timestamp='1321656647' post='1441821'] While I can definitely see the positive sides it does steer the forum to one that favors less discourse and more tribalism overall. The only people who I think will worry about making posts are the ones with reason, those without will still post as they feel. To me it's a tool for the lowest common denominator to exert their influence without having to be able to illustrate their opinions. I feel if you have a disagreement you should be able to state your case and stand by it and not just simply click a button that will have the same value as a reasoned argument. I think it will soon be a popularity contest with certain groups always liking posts in their group to show how much better they are regardless of the content. [/quote] I'm inclined to agree, I think one of the big reasons I enjoy this site so much is that discourse can take place on contentious issues and most can hold back from loosing it completely with the opposing side. This ain't Talkbass, I've seen a big amount of clique-like behaviour and a tendency to rubbish anything that isn't flavour of the month anymore (from some), and I just don't think that happens as much over here, we seem to be very self-contained and reasoned people.

[quote name='spongebob' timestamp='1321637045' post='1441556'] I found last week that the fingers gave so much more bottom end - can that ever be emulated with a pick? [/quote] Using a harder pick and EQing in the right amount of low end should work. Flimsier picks can have the effect of zapping your low end I find. Generally if I need low end though I'll use my fingers. I'll reach for a pick if I want a bit more of a driving mid-rangey sound or I want to do the Carol Kaye impression

[quote name='BassBunny' timestamp='1321635396' post='1441533'] Normally NO. I used to go to the Manchester one when i played guitar and it is great for "skinny stringed" players. Very little bass gear as a rule and certainly no bass specific exhibitors. I know Pete, who organises the shows and mentioned the lack of bass presence, but it gets pretty well attended without changes. Here's the full script. [url="http://www.guitarshows.co.uk/liverpool%202011.htm"]http://www.guitarsho...pool%202011.htm[/url] [/quote] Ahh okay. Just curious really as I'm a guitarist as well and if it did have a decent array of exhibitors I might just be tempted to go and have a look. Nothing that tickles my fancy though.

[quote name='Leemarc Ferguson' timestamp='1321633722' post='1441498'] You raise a valid point here. However having been to the states I know slap style is very popular over there and in the UK the fingerstyle is more prominent [/quote] True, and it depends on what kind of music you perform of course. Also there are no rules to anything. Anthony Jackson plays with a pick all over music that you wouldn't expect the bass player to be using a pick on, and I'm sure there are plenty of vice versa scenarios too. Having plenty of strings to your bow is never a bad thing.

I've had to deal with this recently as well. On the one hand, you're the bass player, so it's up to you to make the informed decision as to what will work best for the song you're playing. This includes how you approach the song, fingers or pick, and so on. On the other hand, try and take yourself out of the picture and understand where the rest of your band are coming from. Is your decision to not use a pick due to stubbornness or a prejudice against pick style playing for example, could the song be lifted with the use of a pick of some kind. Finely tune between these two schools of thought and conclude whatever is the right thing to do for the song! If you disagree with the rest of your band mates, then be diplomatic about it. Equally, try and take any ego out the equation also (not suggesting you have one at all, just talking from experience I guess!).

Any decent bass manufacturers going to be there MB1?

Hi Leemarc, welcome to the forum! You obviously need to dedicate a lot of time to both techniques to be considered proficient. I dedicated a lot more time to playing fingerstyle because I believe the technique of slap bass has become redundant in modern day music, and fingerstyle will always be the more prominent style of playing bass with the kind of music I regularly record and perform. Equal importance should be placed on pick playing as well nowadays, as I think for many bass players who work hard on getting their technique down, pick playing is often an afterthought, and it shouldn't be because it accounts for a lot of what goes down on modern recordings. Just my 2p!

The site works totally fine for me Ped (and other admins). Took me a while to get used to the new format, but it's hardly rocket science, and now I'm used to it I think it's pretty functional overall... nice job. The points system is kind of neither here nor there. I do think that some might use it to pursue vendettas though and maybe tip the balance of reasoned debate the wrong way - just because one opinion is less popular doesn't make it less valid etc. Equally it might make people think a bit more about what they post before they post it, and that's got to be a good thing on a communal forum. Time will tell I suppose!

I don't think I do anything too out of the ordinary. Or maybe it's that people are afraid of telling me about some of my weird dance moves!

[quote name='Fantobass001' timestamp='1321385724' post='1438618'] Oops, i've been given a -1 point ;-) I apologize for having offended a Mark King fan. I love Dune Tune though ;-) [/quote] That's okay, I tipped you back in the right direction because unlike the person that gave you the minus point, I realised it was just a joke and laughed! I'm also looking into the RH750. I've been an Eden user for almost 3 years now and whilst I do love my WT800 and 410XLT cab I do believe it's time for a change. I had the pleasure of using one of the RH450's + 2 x RS210's at a gig in Sweden, but I didn't get a chance to really get a feel for it as I was far away from it and playing to nearly 10,000 people in a big arena with most of my bass coming from my monitor mix... I'm not bragging either, believe me I would have been much happier stood next to the amp. From what I heard of it I really liked, my only worry was that it might not have enough headroom so I'm looking at the 750 instead.

I've not tried one but I'd certainly love to, although the aesthetics don't grab me very much. I've heard a few now and quite honestly they sound outrageous. Really very nice indeed. Resale at JTUK mentioned would put it in the category of some other rather nice and ultimately more popular ultra-Jazz's, namely Sadowsky, probably the likes of Nordstrand also.

[quote name='bremen' timestamp='1321364325' post='1438217'] Any top tips for someone who's been playing fingerstyle for (mumble) years and wants to try a pick? [/quote] Yes Breman! Try and play what you would regularly play with your fingers, but with a pick instead. This sounds a bit obvious but a lot of people only reach for the pick when they're playing the driving 1/8th notes, whereas if you familiarise yourself with lines you already know then it will make the whole process easier. I would say this was the best way of subconsciously developing the ability to accent the right notes at the right time as well, as you'll find when you start practicing with a pick that upstrokes don't have the same attack as your downstrokes. Crossing strings can be tough too, another reason to practice what you would usually with your fingers with a pick instead. Listen to the Beach Boys, Carol Kaye manages to be incredibly melodic whilst playing with a hard pick and I can't really think of a better example of pick playing than what she recorded on 'Pet Sounds'.

I mostly play with my fingers and my thumb, but increasingly I play a lot more with a hard pick too, it's just a sound that just works so well. On my new album I used a pick on one or two tunes to try and emulate Carol Kaye's tone on 'Pet Sounds', loads of reverb, short delay, all played through a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe amp and with a chunk of foam stuffed in under the bridge of my bass.

My older sister was a bass player long before I was, so when I was young I was forever listening to her playing along to Chili Peppers stuff at full blast in her room. It was this that eventually inspired me to take up bass 10 years ago, so actually I have a lot more to thank Flea for than just his great music... if it wasn't for him, I might not even be still playing! Every Friday, I used to come out of school, get on the school bus with my Walkman on and blast out BSSM as loud as I could turn it up to get hyped for the weekend. Brilliant! After One Hot Minute I kind of stopped listening to them, although Californication had some great songs on it. But as for BSSM, it's not just a bass player's album, it's really just a great album full stop. In fact I'd easily put it up there with one of the greatest albums of all time, no question.

I don't like this kind of Dubstep at all but I must admit it was very impressive.

As a bass player, I do what needs to be done to get a song working. If that means not playing a bassline at all or even playing one note every other bar, then so be it. It is a recent revelation that I have had in light of me becoming more of a songwriter and guitarist. I'd prefer my role to be a pivotal one and have some artistic license, but when you're working with 4 other people there just has to be a point where you compromise. On the other hand, when I write songs for my band, it's different. I usually have quite a good idea about what I'd like stuff to sound like, and if I have very specific harmonies, choral voicings and melodic parts that I have written then generally I would want them played how I wrote them in the first place. I am however open to other band members trying ideas out on top of what I have written if it compliments the song well. Sometimes you just don't know when someone else's idea will fire off an unused part of your songwriting brain and get you really inspired. Other times, writing by committee just doesn't work and can mean that you come to blows because of conflicting ideas. Like I say, it's just about having that compromise.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1320885284' post='1432896'] The electric bass is not a solo instrument, IMHO (puts on crash helmet and gets in cupboard under stairs). [/quote] Agree and disagree. Age old argument of course, but I'll be a bit of a knob and say that technically, any instrument is a solo instrument, up to and including the spoons if you fancy it. There are no limits, but on the flipside there is a limit to taste, and that's usually the first thing to get discarded when a bass solo happens. I think the player has to be phenomenally good for a nice solo to occur, melodically and harmonically informed, and just all round a great musician.