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I actually quite like a well played banjo, but wow there's a lot out there that aren't

True of banjos perhaps though?

Exactly, but that point's been made already, you were indicating surprise that two cabs made for different purposes by different manufacturers using different technology and materials sound different when played in the same context. I was simply pointing out that there was no need to be surprised. But as others have said, different isn't a statement of quality or of appropriateness. This thread, like so many others, comes down to one thing and one thing only; gear that sounds great in one context often doesn't in another, and the key defining factor is more often the characteristics of the context - bass, strings, desired tone, style of play, type of music, volume, room, crowd, and don't forget psychoacoustic - as opposed to any mechanical and/or technical characteristics of the gear itself. It's one very good reason why trying audio gear in a shop can be a bloody nightmare, it's not unusual to hear people say "I didn't like the Mesa Boogie I tried in store, it seemed a little underpowered" or "I couldn't believe how great that Carlsbro' sounded against the most expensive", and often they're right to a degree because that's what their ears were telling them in that context. Put both rigs on stage with a loud drummer and a rowdy crowd and suddenly the rig that sounded underpowered or crap in a shop was the one that was needed. This is why I will never own another PJB rig, sounds lovely in the living room, disappears on stage

Finding that bass in Slough is like running into the Minogue sisters at the Dog & Duck

Some Kind of Monster is one great movie

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Someone needs to put this thread out of its misery

Not really, the two cabs were designed to do different things

if that's the case, although it makes good logistics sense, it's very poor business sense. Anyone in Europe thinking of ordering one has just been put off doing so. Steve is like me, a Mesa fan, I've no doubt that had Boogie spent £50 or so getting it to him on time, the detailed and knowledgable review he would have provided here, one from the perspective of a professional musician with a leaning towards Mesa gear, would have paid for Mesa's one-off shipping fee a few hundred times. This seems to have undone all the great PR @agedhorse did on behalf of Mesa earlier in the summer?

That’s not good, hope it’s simple production line delays as opposed to quality control issues

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My two from back in the day, fretted ray, fretless Sabre

Yep, whether Fender or whoever put on the current finish, it's how it's worn over the years that provides the magic

Why should an amp be cheaper than a bass? The amp makes at least the same impact on all relevant audio variables, if not more. My rig - no longer Mesa I'm afraid to say - is worth around £2000, the most expensive bass I own is worth around £500. Whilst my technique is rubbish, I get a lot of compliments on my tone, which for me is what it's all about

I haven't read the whole thread, but Westside were certainly never the bad guys

Wonderful reason to leave it as is, really made me smile. Thanks

In Donald Trump's world of the fake everything

I've had strings out of the pack that were simply dead, one that just unwound as I tightened it, and a couple that wouldn't intonate like yours, in each case either an A or E string (I don't play 5ers). Why it happens I've no idea, I'd guess either manufacturing tolerances, poor QC or good old human error. Unless the string is a significantly different gauge to the previous string, it's the most likely solution, although probably not the only one

I think the best of way of establishing whether it started out as a Fender would be to check previous Fender models So no, it didn't start out life as a genuine Fender

Dodgy string?

I did an A-B with my old band, two Mesa Powerhouse 2x10s vertically against horizontally. I was lucky enough to have a very powerful all tube amp with a small enough footprint at the time to do it safely, a Mesa Prodigy. And the difference was pretty astounding. Nothing. At least not the difference in clarity and projection I expected. I think like everything else, it will make a difference in some situations and not in others, there are no generic rules that can be determined by science because of the huge range of variables that will change with each room, even each song (I suspect Bill Fitzmaurice will punish me for that comment later). There are however numerous cultural and aesthetic precedents - let's be honest here, no one wants to see a T-formation bass rig (sorry Bankai), and a lightweight 2x10 on it's side being apparently smothered by an SVT-II is not much better. Proportions folks. Big head, even bigger cab The golden rules therefore 1. Stack your rig so that it looks good 2. Stack your rig so that it's safe and won't kill a punter (drummers and guitarists no so worried) 3. Stack your rig so that you and the band and ideally the audience can hear the bass

I think by asking here people are looking for the type of information that you don't find on manufacturer's websites