Yep, but check out the pics in the link, they are more convincing. They won't feel like a Wal in the flesh, but plenty will get sold in various places and people will get burned. I ride Italian bikes, and the 'Chinarello' is now an accepted fact, that is a significant percentage of Pinarello bikes in circulation have turned out to be very very good visual replicas of the real thing (serial numbers etc all as should be the case), albeit far from good functional replicas, and with a couple of tell tale signature faults that the experts check for. That's why I said very early on in this thread that it could be a case of trying to move one of these one. I'm guessing it's not but the lack of any form of evidence to the contrary is increasingly a little odd