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It's really sad that the cost of moving pianos makes them uneconomic either to sell or buy these days, my eldest daughter would love one but it appears you have to spend a small fortune to get anything vaguely decent moved, and if these guys can drop one, anyone can https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/11/americas/piano-fazioli-smashed-movers-intl-scli/index.html

Many thanks BRX, that's really helpful. I'm 99% there with the DrumBrute https://www.arturia.com/drumbrute/overview, which seems to be a great price for a unit that consistently appears in Top-10 lists, and which has an interface that my 80's formatted brain will get on with (I spent a lot of the '80s playing with a Roland 606, and then - appalling I know - added the 303 when I moved from bass to sax for a few years). Any thoughts you have on the DrumBrute would be most welcome. Thanks again, really useful advice

Well put

Some of Fender's relicing is truly awful

I wonder if this thread had anything to do with it? The guy from Mesa really engaged, but he really wasn't able to address the core questions re price, and I strongly suspect not many sold (if only on the basis that BC is a good barometer and if enough people on BC buy a new to market item there tends to be a flurry of them for same used a few months later)? Good news either way. Or would be if I had any money. Hope the isn't a disaster for Westside, the guys there were very good, and I guess if Mesa's policy was to work through a local agent in each territory, the pricing issue wasn't really their fault?

I think you're suggesting a) that pop is a lower form of music than the music these guys are playing and b) that these guys are capable of writing music that could be sufficiently successful to be termed pop. Great technical ability doesn't always, even often, make for great music, and certainly doesn't always come with great creativity.

Very nicely put, I have to say I feel like I'm slowing down to look at a car crash on the other carriageway

Not really, frankly its the biggest waste of time thread we've had on here for a while (and there's some pretty stiff opposition recently), quite why you're bothering is beyond me. As you objected to my lockdown fever comment, I'll put it down to post-lockdown fever, which is proving itself far more problematic

I appear to have reposted my own post?

Ah, but there's a rarely invoked BC directive that at least one contentious yet ultimately pointless thread about bass guitars must be live at any one point in time. It must also be lead by a sufficiently persistent (i.e., 24/7) OP to ensure that eventually the vast majority of members, irrespective of their current professional, family or musical priorities - and even their current sanity - are either drawn in and post in the thread itself, or at least read and reread the thread in question, often in complete disbelief, in an attempt to understand why it is constantly at the top of the 'new content' list. You'll notice than when the thread is closed, as it always is, the OP often disappears, only to resurface under a new username a few months later to debate another pointless issue; in this content there's a rolling cast list of six such protagonists as far as I'm aware, just to keep the threads going, they need recovery between each as the result of the sheer effort required to antagonise so many members. Gianni has however made the critical error of returning to the scene of his earlier crime, he will disappear for good this time

No, that's wrong Andy

The reality is that all basses are pretty much the same, it's the emotions about them that differ

Lockdown fever guys

Crikey

Uh oh

Arty is, polite

I’m still laughing out loud Skank, made my day even more than the Afro Beat band posted this morning! So to be clear, future BFs of my daughters are likely to be of this ilk?

Sorry mate, you didn't keep up the payments

As ever Skank, hammer on nail

Yep, I was going to make a reference to Jazz musicians but IMO most of the good ones don;t look smug in the way a lot of modern players appear to (huge generalisation I know). But I felt I've seen the consistent smugness somewhere before. Folk! Bloody folk! Specifically Transatlantic Sessions which we used to watch as a band occasionally and wet ourselves at just how smug a bunch of musicians could look. I remember one set where the DB player was holding down about as rudimentary a root-5th pattern as is possible whilst pulling the sort of faces you've expected of Mingus when pulling out some of the most physically demanding and musically complex DB possible. Very entertaining

Sorry, but when the dancers came into shot I genuinely thought it was going to be French & Saunders, I laughed out loud. Probably says a little too much about me, sorry. I like the bass tone, and the drumming is great, but am not getting the current wave of instrumental bands of obviously highly talented musicians playing what sounds to my ear like 1970's lift music. There also seems to be a generic vibe about them all, a certain aesthetic in visual style from the physical surroundings to the body language and facial expressions of the musicians. Perhaps I'm just in bad mood, I'll have to go back to the bit when the dancers come in again

Had the Fissuregate thread started that way it might still be going

Like fissuregate, as time goes on, that gap gets increasingly bigger and both sides tend to lose their grasp on the original issue, and that only gets a whole lot worse once us internet lot get involved

Hi Nicko, much appreciated, many thanks. I'll take a look at the manual and online stuff and get back to you. Any device with midi will sync with Pro Tools I imagine, I think that some - especially more recent models - do it more seemlessly than others (I might be wrong, as I said above, I've never really used midi). Thanks for your help Chris

Thanks Dad! I'd like a drum machine that is operated like the machines I'm used to using and which I can use live if needs be (when I say 'live' I mean for practicing and rehearsing without needing a computer in the room, specifically for writing with bandmates of making music with the kids ahead of my 6-year old's inevitable journey towards a full kit), but which links with Pro Tools easily. I tried EZ Drummer and to be honest found it unintuitive, which is probably a major part of the problem - when it comes to drum simulation my brain appears formatted to fully understand the logic of old school hardware and not the current interfaces and protocols of the VSTs. Re playing, I'm not sure I fully understand the options above, but I think that yes, I'm looking to create tracks piano roll style, which is how I've always done it (and I have NEVER used midi, perhaps I need to get into it more). Re style, I'm mostly going to be wanting to create low key small/jazz kit type drum tracks at the moment (the stuff I'm writing for the theme music is drums, double bass and possibly a little bit of jingly-jangly telecaster), but of course, down the line I might also want to be creating 'In the Air Tonight' big kit sounds. If the consensus is that I'm shooting myself in the foot trying to avoid VSTs, then I will take that feedback and take the plunge, and perhaps use an old school 16 quarter-beat display drum machine with the kids and to rehearse. However I'd prefer the same machine does both if possible Thanks for your help Chris