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[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1420670202' post='2652117'] Why? I really don't see the problem. Someone comes to my workplace to pick up something I'm selling and they pay with cash. How is it relevant whether they're Chinese or Martians, and whether the person collecting is the final user or their cousin? The precautions about cash are exactly the same as any other cash transaction of the kind we regularly do via this forum, gumtree or whatever. Does it sound a little "different"? Yes. But, all those differences are pretty unimportant. Be cautious, of course! But from a safety point of view, it's surely better that they meet the seller at his workplace and not at his home, right? There will presumably be other people around too. So really, the only issue is whether the cash is legit or a forgery And that is a problem that applies every single time you take cash as payment, the actual identity or nationality of the person bringing the cash and collecting the item is entirely irrelevant... unless this is an eBay transaction, in which case it MUST be posted and be traceable, which I understand this is not the case. [/quote] Nothing to do with nationality (did I mention that?). Even in the old days, when we did things differently, I wouldn't have touched a deal with a third party paying cash. Time will tell eh

£50 says scam. Even if not, as someone who's sold a thing or two on here, if in the same situation I'd decline the sale and seek a more straight forward deal. Good luck either way. C

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1420623119' post='2651323'] I can't see why it appears to be fitted with a adjustable nut - when it has a zero fret? Pointless! [/quote] .....and a zero fret on a fretless isn't exactly ideal for setting it up...

[quote name='zero9' timestamp='1419116720' post='2636844'] EUB's occupy a nice little niche between an electric bass guitar and a double bass, but don't sound anything like a double bass. An electric fretless with tapewounds will do just as well as an EUB to simulate a DB. However, an EUB looks cool and gets good feedback from an audience. There is no real benefit spending loads of money on one as they all sound pretty similar, and experimenting with strings can produce more effective results to move closer to a proper upright sound. Just go for the one you like the look of most. [/quote] [quote name='Mr Bassman' timestamp='1419289381' post='2638509'] I'm sorry but after owning and experimenting with at least 10 different EUB's and as many fretless basses, I have to disagree with all comments except the one about strings. [/quote] Totally agree with Keith, EUBs vary hugely, even within manufacturers, my Yammie SLB-100 is a very different beast to the 200, neither sound like a Fretless bass, and I've yet to find s Fretless bass that has the tone and voice of either. I've owned several budget models by Aria, Dean and Stagg and there was perhaps more similarity between these and Fretless basses, but those instruments represent a very small part of the EUB spectrum

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1419070099' post='2636156'] OK. We are not supposed to discuss moderating matters publicly, but seeing as this is an issue that can affect us all I think for transparencies sake I'm gong to flesh this out. Firstly the bass had not been advertised for sale elsewhere, it had been pointed out that this bass had just sold at auction and various links to the auction were posted. Members who have posts deleted do get PM's and where there is a large tidy up the thread might just say that. I worked via PM with one member to edit his post so pertinent information was kept in his post (the link to the auction site) but discussion about profit margins were removed. At this point in time there was no inference and accusation that the bass was not in the hands of the seller. At this point we have to take it on trust that the goods exist and the seller is in possesion of them. If not we could not function as a marketplace. This is where areas like feedback come into play and the general network that we have to sniff things out. Quite simply we do not allow an accusatory tone or mob mentality in any of the sales and we have to act on evidence not opinion. After the thread was tidied up it was up to the seller to post new pics of the bass and guess what, none were forthcoming and the sale was ended by the seller, kind of writing itself. I knew that the current owner of this very lovely Wal would turn up and guess what, he has. Now we have evidence we are able to take appropriate action. The mods have to do their best in an imperfect world where much of the sales are conducted on trust. We have to frequently deal with smaller sales where members have sent money as a gift through Paypal and goods are not forthcoming. It is true, we do give members benefit of the doubt. Sometimes things are late to be posted for family reasons or whatever. But you can bet your boots that once a member is found to be fraudulent a ban is usually immediate. Finally I'll says this to you Beed, and this is something that usually would go in a PM, but as we are being open and honest and transparent I'll say it out loud. I think you are bang out of order to accuse the mods of pf protecting a fraudulent sale and by that I mean any fraudulent sale. There is so much more going on under the surface, that if it was to show on sale threads most of them would just be chaos. Sometimes life is about the journey and sometimes it's about the destination. The journey in this instance may have been rocky but the destination is that all's well that ends well and in that respect the forum has worked. [/quote] Fair enough Billy, no big issue. Points taken Chris

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1419031038' post='2636001'] I'll borrow your crystal ball if you don't mind. [/quote] Let me know when you need it, it's pretty reliable OK, point taken Billy, and apologies to the mods for the above, but I do suspect that the very least that should have been done was perhaps a PM to the members whose posts were deleted saying thanks for your diligence, apologies for the deletes and we're looking into it. I don't think any comment I read suggested sour grapes, or at least I didn't read them that way, just a few folks pointing out that a bass with the same serial number was listed for sale elsewhere, and the O/P editing his posts at a pretty high rate in response. C

[quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1419026917' post='2635940'] It has to be put in to context though Chris. Until someone is proven to be dishonest we have to show the same courtesy as we do with any other sale thread. If posts are made that may affect the sale for the forum member we will delete them. Fear not, the mod team will be discussing this further. [/quote]. No Gary, it was very very poor judgement given the hard evidence presented by several members at the time, evidence that was deleted by mods leaving the impression that the seller was straight up

[quote name='Clarky' timestamp='1419026346' post='2635930'] The final post on that Wal FS thread said Posted 01 December 2014 - 08:56 .,,sorry but this guy needs to give a better explanation of his actions or be chucked out of BassChat in my view [/quote] As do the mods who kept deleting the posts clearly stating the above at the time Clarky. Someone could have been badly ripped off as the 'seller' maintained he owned the bass way after was obvious to anyone with any sense that he didn't

[quote name='HowieBass' timestamp='1419024690' post='2635901'] What made it even worse was the fact the bass originally sold for something like £1,500 and was advertised on here for £3,500 before they'd even paid for it! [/quote] Yep

[quote name='HowieBass' timestamp='1419006812' post='2635687'] I think those of us who followed that for sale advert (and then posted amusing comments which were subsequently removed LOL) all thought the same... [/quote] Yep, skeptical posts from honest members who smelled a rat were removed, whilst the interests of the dishonest member were apparently protected....

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1418918448' post='2634856'] I find it hard to believe that Fender are still unaware of the Limelight basses. The fact that they seem to have done nothing about it would seem to indicate that they can live with this (very minor) level of threat to their brand. Imitation is, after all, the most sincere form of flattery. [/quote] Fender appear generally happy with these things unless you try to sell the instruments direct to or in the USA, in which case their lawyers will write to you

[quote name='JamesBass' timestamp='1418857505' post='2634252'] But in April of this year I played the ONLY bass that has ever screamed "I'm yours to me" I literally had nightmares about the price though. £6K for a 1966 Fender P!! Is it worth that?! No, not to me however within the month that P had sold, someone thought it was worth the £6K. This particular bass has been owned by some on here and is ABSOLUTELY flawless minus a few insignificant dings. My P has more dings than the 66. The difference is the 66's neck was utter perfection. It was comfortable and just homely to me! So imagine my delight when I'm told I can get the same feeling from a modern day replica for only £750. I don't care if it has the Fender logo or not. I just want a P bass that has my perfect neck without having to not eat for a few years. There's no harm in that surely? [/quote] That's what I hear from a lot of musicians, and not just bass players. Relicing/ageing/distressing is about feel and function as much as about looks. Fender wouldn't do it if there wasn't a massive market for it, and that massive market includes some pretty serious musicians (for example I know a couple of 'pros who play FCS Pino's because it's to all intents a vintage instrument in feel and tone but without the price point and without the risk). Sure, there's an aesthetic/visual thing going on in some cases, but play a light relic and it feels wonderfully old and played in to the musician but looks pretty much new to the casual observer. Fender logos on the headstocks of non-Fender basses? The only people who should be worried about that are Fender.

[quote name='spacey' timestamp='1418833643' post='2633866'] The counterfeit ones getting sold will only increase the value of the genuine vintage ones, a real one, is a real one and as the prices of fakes escalates the genuine instruments will rise in comparison. [/quote] Or the availability of good copies reduces the number of people looking to buy the real thing, and reduced demand = lower prices for the real thing. I know a few guys - some on here - who've sold their old '60s/70's instruments and are still getting the same feel/vibe/tone and admiring glances playing a faker/snide/relic/whatever which cost a whole lot less, is a whole lot more reliable, induces zero damage/theft anxiety at gigs, and is, despite what people may think, often equally easy to sell on as the real thing if you don't get on with it or need the cash.

Have a listen to how Bruce Foxton not only plagiarised Macca but did so in a really innovative and creative way in songs that were very un-Beatles. Jaco on the other hand plagiarised his own work in song after song but never sounded the same doing so. As Einstein said, the secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources

Link to Kev's bass Phil http://basschat.co.uk/topic/195926-new-pics-1979-fender-precision-frettless-rare-maple-board-final-price-drop/

Hi Phil Buy a bass with said neck and sell the other bits is probably the cheapest bet, I don't think even Warmoth offer it as an option. Fender and Ibanez offered them back in the day (and there is a quite rare recent Fender MIJ RI), but they never really caught on amongst bassists in comparison with rosewood, ebony etc. My old bass is for sale, albeit in a new colour scheme, by kevinjazzbass on this forum. I had the neck refinished by Martin Simms and it is absolutely stunning, as good if not better than new. I know Kev is keen to move it on so I'd suggest that might be your best starting point? The maple FL necks do pop up FS on USA eBay occasionally but you have to keep in mind that they tend to be preloved in every sense of the phrase, and removing string wear from the finish of a maple board is a very different prospect - and a very different price range - to the same work on a rosewood or ebony board. I don't know exactly what it is, but there is a magic to a maple fretless neck C

[quote name='KevB' timestamp='1417426129' post='2620089'] No more the end than it was when Tom Jones, Shirley Bassey, Neil Diamond, Dolly Parton etc filled that Sunday lunchtime slot which is when I understand LR will be on. From the info currently available he is not headlining. [/quote] Fair point, although to me there's a certain quality to even those names that is lacking with LR although I have admit I'm struggling to define the quality in question!