Beedster

I've had my Martin Concerto about 9 months now and I have to say I'm extremely happy, it really is a lovely instrument.

I like it, no idea why, but I like it. If it was a Modulus Flea everyone would be saying 'wow'

The recent models weren't a patch on the old ones, I bought one new in 2009 and whilst it was an OK and well engineered bass, it didn't have the sonic mojo that may late 90's version had (or my Sonic Hammer for that matter). I certainly wouldn't pay more than £1000 for one new, and given the simplicity of the instrument - Modulus used widely available components from other manufacturers (Aguilar/Bartolini/Badass), and pretty similar standard aftermarket graphite necks are available from the likes of Status - you can put together a pretty good Flea-alike for less than the cost of a standard Fender Still, if you've got one in good nick, it ain't go to go down in value

[quote name='artisan' timestamp='1398950108' post='2439311'] lol this place seems to be turning into "Fenderchat" no other makes will be tolerated [/quote] That's why I moved to Yamaha, Fender is so 2013. It's the first time in about 20 years I haven't owned a Fender bass.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1398950225' post='2439315'] The other thread is now open again. Please don't make me/us regret it [/quote] Thanks charic, would it be too ironic to suggest that this thread is now closed so that any relevant discussion is contained in the one (i.e., other) thread?

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1398937343' post='2439132'] Is unlocking the thread the resolution we are after here? If so I am happy to discuss this with the moderating team if you can offer your reasoning [/quote] I believe that reopening the thread with a clear statement from a mod about the type of discussion permitted - which should focus on the original issue (which let's face it was not simply a request for a phone number), and allow an indication of the degree to which that issue has been, or is being resolved - would set a good precedent and allow a reasoned and balanced resolution. It might of course make sense in doing so to move it to the feedback forum and personally I would see no issue with the comments regarding Brett - and perhaps from Brett - being removed. As was pointed out above, I doubt Letts would be very happy that anyone searching for their products/services might come across that thread given how it was sitting when it was closed. Furthermore, with that thread closed in that manner another will in due course pop up - that's the way here - and likely the same areas will be gone over again requiring the same responses from those involved.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1398930067' post='2439044'] Guys, the previous thread was closed due to it veering incredibly close to bullying towards Brent. The post above [/quote] I can't help thinking the Brent rather brought that upon himself, and as the apparent point of contact for the customers with problems, he adopted an extremely poor approach. However, one justification for the thread remaining open would have been to allow him to pop back this morning and say "Guys, really sorry, I'd had avery long day.... Anyway, please feel free to call me today" etc. This is a far better outcome for everyone, and in this manner, the forum moderates itself. If it had escalated, then a warning and then a closure. I think it was an important thread for the community, for the members directly effected, and for the company/individuals at the centre of it. [quote name='charic' timestamp='1398930067' post='2439044'] ... the decision is always made with the best of intentions. [/quote] IMO a consistent moderation process should work alongside the best of intentions.

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1398900223' post='2438962'] I wonder how some of you do not have better things to do than this! Notice that the participation of Rob or any of the other members affected by this situation is minimal? The situation is not ideal to say the least and it looks like through his personal problems he has made a bit of a hash of the business, but from everything that has been said things are on the up. How about a discussion such as this be considered in another 6 months time? If they are in the 'next step' as they say, then by this time everyone could have their completed bass. If they don't, then another discussion (prompted by an orderer or [i]genuine[/i] prospective orderer) may be warranted. Until then, perhaps worry about other things? [/quote] It's a bass forum on which about 90% of non OT threads relate to buying, selling or talking about new bass gear, what topics of conversation are you expecting...?

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1398899397' post='2438956'] So in other words, neither of us are actually waiting for a bass but both of us want to see people who are waiting get theirs. [/quote] That's backtracking to the previous thread which you closed, I started this thread to question your closing it and to speculate that doing so my be counterproductive to everyone involved. As Nigel suggested, given time there's a tendency towards organic moderation here that is often undermined by the synthetic version. People are simply going to stop posting if moderation = closure, moderation should equal presenting a balanced perspective, then perhaps a gentle warning, and then closure. As I said, IMO your intervention wasn't helpful.

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1398898333' post='2438944'] I don't, that's why I asked the question. [/quote] No, you were trying to escalate as opposed to moderate. I agree with most of the posts suggesting that this should be left alone, despite the poor response in the original thread, but not for the first time IMO your unhelpful intervention seems to be aimed at pushing things along as opposed to diffusing or resolving them

[quote name='icastle' timestamp='1398897394' post='2438931'] How long have you been waiting for your Letts bass now? [/quote] How do you know I'm not?

[quote name='Lord Sausage' timestamp='1398897206' post='2438927'] BC ain't Trading Standards [/quote] No, but it was a member who'd paid for a bass through a BC offer and was not only being poorly served but ignored by a co Many who were apparently trading normally in other respects. BC are pretty tight on many aspects of trading, so they shouldn't let commercial organisations make such offers if they've are not prepared to accept some discomfort when it goes wrong.

[quote name='KingBollock' timestamp='1398896098' post='2438908'] Normally me too, especially when there's a good debate/argument going on. But a public execution leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. [/quote] But it wasn't, or at least, if it was becoming one they, Letts, were providing the rope. Whilst the feedback forum is normally the place, it was clear that in this case it was about more than feeding back, but about trying to get something done. I don't think the thread should have been closed until the OP's situation had been resolved, most appropriately I'd guess by a full refund.

Why was that thread closed? The reason provided by the mod was crap. People have the right to express their thoughts on an offer offered via this site to members of this site. The 'reason' offered by the business - and the crap comments by an employee of that business - was simply not good enough. The business appears able to deliver to its 'normal' customers but not to its BC customers. To be honest the forum should take some responsibility for this, not simply clamp down. Let's get some proportion in moderation here. That was crap

[quote name='lucaskeys' timestamp='1398887721' post='2438748'] Mr. Letts. Id suggest not letting Bret post on behalf of letsbasses. Also, good luck with your family and business. -Luke [/quote] +1 on family and business, but please, Bret needs to stick to making the tea and be kept away from patronising both existing and potential clients on the internet.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1398793040' post='2437676'] I really don't know why he did the whole basschat low price deal thing.... what's the point in offering that sort of thing unless you can deliver on it? [/quote] Cashflow?

[quote name='Diablo' timestamp='1398795524' post='2437712'] Basschat is bad. It creates within me an unfathomable and irrational desire for stuff. Especially the For Sale section which I now promise myself to try and avoid browsing. A month or two ago I was partaking in a quiet browse when a PJB Six-Pak combo was on offer. Two days later it was in my truck and going home. Then I decided it was not loud enough so I hacked up my old Laney and used it as an extension cab, which was nice. But, it was always in the back of my mind that PJBAS was calling. Low and behold an 8B cab comes up, but due to wiring differences does not work with a 6-Pak, or it would have been mine. A day later a 9B comes up, it has to be mine! Picked it up today and was talking with Simon who said, "I used to have a 6-pak, sold it though". Turns out it was the very same 6-Pak I now own so the original cab and combo are now reunited in noisy bliss. Rattle your eyeballs with vol on 7, yes please: [attachment=161611:20140429_185424 (Large).jpg] First gig for the setup this Friday, can't wait! Cheers, Rich [/quote] Similar to my DB/EUB rig (M500, 6b and 9b), which is surprisingly good for EB as well. PJB ain't the loudest but the tone is extremely pleasing. Re 8b/9bI really don't get the impedence thing though, surely in the real world impedance is frequency dependent so you should be able to use a 'divisible by 4 cab' with a 'divisible by 3 cab' in practice if not in theory?

Still seems active on FB, chase him there perhaps, or start badmouthing on musician forums him and wait for him to come to you?