IvanBass456

Hi mate, I have been using the Vong Filterung for 3 weeks now. And it is great. It doesn't colour your tone at all, and it has many features (understand that it really is transparent like a true bypass pedal! You won't notice any difference in tone with or without the pedal). It will serve as a boost, as a HPF and as a LPF. There is a constant -12db at <30hz + an adjustable -12db from 30hz to 150hz. The LPF is an adjustable -12 or -24db @ adjustable frequency (22khz until your mid frequencies, I can't tell exactly what frequency). I'm using it early in my signal chain in order to clean things up early in the chain. And surprisingly I find myself taking more advantage of the LPF; it will avoid those undesirable peaks in the highs and act as an efficient noise canceler! It will cut your highs and favour your high mids, if you crank it up to the mids, making your modern active bass sounding like a vintage instrument This Vong Filterung is no joke!

Sure. I've ordered it in early March, around the 10th, it is now waiting for a proper mounting by my luthier/tech in Brussels. He should take care of it in the course of this week. I let you know how it behaves and how far it is a nice addition (or not) to the AG700 TBH, I already found out that the AG700 does handle the bass freq much better than my Markbass. The low spectrum on the AG700 is less deep than on my Markbass LMTube (this is something to consider if enjoy playing RnB or Reggea), and thus consequently more tight and focus. So, while a HPF seems a great addition to a Markbass amp, I'm not yet sure it will be that necessary for an Aggie amp. Real-time testing will tell ^^ The Vong will probably come just after my Aggie octaver before the distorsion pedals, anyway. So just for that, it should be useful at some point.

I'm about to order one and let it mount/solder by my tech/luthier... I've seen a thumpinator at 130 euros on Reverb, but I find it rather expensive for a used piece of gear that only cuts the lows below 30hz without any filter adjustment. Anyway I should be happy with either hpf 🙂 the important thing was to get this only feature I was missing with the AG700 vs the Mesa amps. My AG700 should arrive tomorrow, can't wait 😜

Wow thank you guys for feeding this thread with useful insights! I pulled the trigger for the Aggie AG700 @600 pounds (730 euros) including the Aggie gigbag. I guess I'll have the chance to try out a Mesa D800 series or a Berg in a short future. But for the time being I think I will be delighted with the Aggie AG700 through the BF SM, BB2 (and maybe the 210 retro for soon). I was about to pull the trigger for the SFX thumpinator, a used one on Reverb. But It sounds like I first will investigated the options you shared, and more specifically the Vong Filterung (from Germany I guess) Be blessed fellow bassists ! 🙏

That's not to say that I don't like the Mesa D800+ tone; the video made by the guys at Anderton's about the D800 heads just amazed me! It is just that IMO at this stage the AG700 would "tame up" and "soften" a bit more the openness, clarity and mid-punch of the Barefaced cabs. If I want that kind of Hot and clear sound, which I like for Rock Music, I would probably manage to emulate through the Aggie AG700 with a bass having a hot signal or aggressive pickups. Whereas it would be tough for the Mesa D800+ to bring me in soft soul tones territory like the AG700 would naturally do. And I currently have a cover band playing many Soul standards...

Hello guys, I'm on the fence between both these two amps to pair up with my 2 Barefaced cabs, Super Midget and BB2. I have the opportunity to get the Aguilar AG700 at a very fair price here in my neighborhood in Brussels. To be honest, what keeps me away from pulling the trigger right now for the Aggie is the fact that it hasn't a HPF (high pass filter) control embedded. I haven't got any HPF pedal at this stage, so I would have to spend (a lot of) extra money for one, as they are not to find in Europe, strangely. I notice that as I now expand my pedal rig, having a C4 synth, an Aguilar Octamizer, an Mxr m82 envelope filter, an EBS blue label comp (being very forgiving with lows and not compressing them a lot), the lows in my bass signal tend to be massive, uncontrolled and muddy up things at a certain point. So to take full advantage of the AG700 (and its deep switch) an HPF pedal in addition would be a must. Which took me to consider the Mesa D800+. I like the softness of the Aggie ag700, which I tried. And I never tried the Mesa D800 series unfortunately. I thought that an Aggie AG700 would be more versatile and complementary with the BF cabs, being softer and warmer sounding, am I wrong on that ? From what I heard in demo's the D800+ sounds hotter, more aggressive, while being clean... very open in fact. Which is something the BF cabs do already, sounding open. So that's why my current preference seems to go the Aggie, but having never tried the Mesa D800+ it is hard tell how much I would like it. I have got a TH700 for a short time, I liked many things about it, but didn't like the drive (not as warm sounding as I heard in threads) and it didn't go high enough in frequencies. Having played a Markbass amp for a while, I'm used to have the +6000hz sparkling treble, ideal for slapping and very pleasing when practicing at lower volumes. What amp would you suggest? Have you guys managed to try and compare both amps ? Thank you for enlightening this topic 🙏 Amen

Hello BC'ers, I've finally pulled the trigger for a 2nd hand BB2. On his own, it is a joy to hear it restitute all the sound spectrum from very low to very high freq. It is especially wonderful to hear through a 6 strings. it certainly gives a more soft and rounded tone than the Super Midget. However, I'm not yet convinced of the pairing BB2 + SM. I find they are voiced quiet differently and it is even more obvious at practice volume. I guess I maybe should avoid engaging both the SM's tweeter and the BB2's HF, but rather 1 of them. The voicing of both cabs should compare more evenly at gig volume, I guess ^^ I'll come back later with a nurtured feedback about using them together I also have ordered a GK Legacy 800 but I find it is too powerful for my needs and hardly volume-manageable for practice XD I loved the tone, clarity and precision but I'm more likely to get a 2nd hand Fusion 500 watts for its warmer vibe and lesser power-handling. This legacy 800 will be returned unfortunately....

@Downunderwonder I only scoop one of either the low mid or high mid freq, never the two of them + the natural mid boost of the markbass amp and the aguilar pups on my Mayones makes the sound rather balanced and present in the mid frequencies in the end. @machineheadquick and affordable shot for a 2nd SM, or patience and savings for a BB2, that's the deal 🙂 I like my SM much but I really want to hear how that BB2 sounds !

@Al Krow agreed. And the 2 SM + GK head combination may be... (too) agressive ^^ The BB2 should be the logical choice for the longer term. But for now, I'll see if I pull the trigger for this 2nd midget. I'll let you know guys. Have a growly and groovy weekend and thanks for all your inputs! 😇

@chris_b That's exactly my thought! If I wanted, I even might resell both in a few weeks, at this price point So, not much to loose... @Al Krow I know that. I would love to get a BB2 but if I consider the price of a new BB2 + Customs' fees and VAT, it's getting very expensive. But I know it would offer all what I miss with the SM and it would soften the sound of the SM if combined. The pair SM + BB2 would be tremendous I know. But they're rare in the 2nd hand market

I hear here and there that the SM/SC pair is awesome, like you stated @chris_b 🙂 but I really love the tone of the SM and the fact that it has a tweeter and takes all the EQ you put in it, whether it is low or high frequencies... impressive ! My "cheap" Sire M7 6 strings sounds evenly frow the lowest B note to the highest C note, whatever the EQ falvour is, Bass/Treb or midrangy, awesome! @Lozz196 I haven't had the chance to try the 2 SM together as the seller was willing to keep one a few months ago (now he's migrating to a full Mesa rig and getting rid of all the rest.) But what you're saying makes sense ! 😉 At 480 pounds and 10 miles away, I'm super tempted by this second Midget, even if I wanted to try the SC and BB2. That might be for later, I'm 32 years old only XD One more question, how having 2 x 12" cabs will affect the need to EQ ?? With a single SM at low volume it requires, not extreme, but rather generous EQing when I want to model certain tones I like...

Hey guys, I up this thread as I'm still leaning towards a new cab to pair with my current single BF Super Midget. I'm more and more hyped by the recent Gallien Krueger Legacy amp (800w). I think this amp would offer a more hi-fi and trebly sound naturally than the Markbass Little Mark Tube I currently run. I tend to use this in a counter-natural manner, by boosting the treble and bass as well as the VPF filter a lot to get the usual sound I like. The guy whom I have bought the Super Midget has a 2nd Super Midget! So I'm tempted to take a 2nd super midget in order to later pair it with the GK Legacy amp. What do you think of this combination: GK Legacy S 800 + 2x Super Midget? Would a 2nd Super Midget address the needs I mentioned before in this thread: presence, fullness, and a little more bass deepness and definition? The 2 tweeters combination easily would deal with the GK treble and presence And the Rig would be awesomely portable! Thanks for your insights! Ivan

@Cuzzie I get your point In my situation it will be less exhausting for the back to lift small cabs in 2 trips up and down the stairs. And it again offers the modularity to take one cab instead of two for small gigs. Lol I would love to take a trip to Brighton, but I'm living in Brussels ^^ There are here and there Bass nerds here in Belgium who own some outstanding bass material from the best brands, and then you go on trip with the car for an afternoon to test rigs and discuss with the reseller, whether it is for buying or not at the end. I also check up the second hand market in the Netherlands, France and Germany as lightweight cabs remain "shippable" without too much risk from these countries to Belgium :)

@Cuzzie: 23lbs for their SM/SC , 37lbs for the Super Twin, it's not quiet the same when moving it up the stairs But yeah the Super Twin the most lightweight 2x12 after the carbon fiber cabs from GR Bass. So, a 2x12" cab is more than probably convenient for the most of us, but I personally like more mobility and modularity. I speak for for my back + my house has tight stairs...