mike257

Sorry to hear that. There's an awful lot of people in a similar position. The government have played a blinder in coming out with great, headline grabbing schemes that they can shout about come the next election, whilst simultaneously making the small print full of enough challenges that an absolute ton of businesses and individuals have been left without any real support.

Cheers mate - frustrates the hell out of me when people act like we've somehow got it easy being outside the world of "normal" employment. I'm receiving a small grant from HelpMusicians UK which, whilst I'm immensely grateful to receive it, is a monthly amount equivalent to what I'd normally earn in one day on tour. I put in for the Crew Nation scheme that Live Nation are running but they were just overwhelmed with applicants. Was in line to be working on their summer of drive-in concerts before all that got pulled too! I was doing some delivery driving for a local brewery but they've laid off all the home delivery drivers now they're back supplying pubs. There's little bits happening - I'm involved with a live streamed festival happening at the end of August, and possibly doing some installation work for a couple of new bars/venues, but everything has the shadow of a return to lockdown hanging over it, especially in light of this week's local restrictions in some areas. It's very hard to plan ahead with any confidence.

This stinks of the tired assumption that the self employed are all on the blag. I work in the touring production industry. I trade as a limited company, even though it's just me. This means I'm not "self employed" so I wasn't eligible for that support. I can't furlough myself, because I still have to undertake what tiny little business activities I can, otherwise I'll have no business to come back to. I don't have premises that are eligible for business rates, so none of the grant schemes apply to me (I did have a small unit but it was within a self storage facility and not counted as eligible premises. I've had to give this space up for financial reasons). I've got precisely zero government support. The government support that does exist will cease in a couple of months, long before our industry is able to return to normal. There will be no concert touring, festivals, theatre productions etc in 2020. There is no guarantee they'll be back in their normal form in 2021. Will the government continue to support artists, musicians, technicians, production companies, venues, event trucking and bussing suppliers, tour caterers, stewards, security, all the huge supply chain that supports live events? Like hell they will. Redundancies and dead companies will be all over the place. @dudewheresmybass, like me, will not see his income return to normal levels from live music for quite some time. Our mortgages and bills won't go away. Our kids still need to be fed and clothed. I won't be working for free.

Thanks! Touring techie here. The year's diary completely wiped out for myself, and all the freelancers and companies that I work with. Lot of people and businesses at real risk of going under, it's certainly a strange time to be in this industry. I'm sure it'll come back eventually, but the high profile pulling of the country-wide drive in concerts hasn't exactly boosted consumer or industry confidence. Attempts at getting shows up and running are going to be hamstrung by the debate of who takes on the risk (and the costs) if a second wave/local lockdown/plague of locusts causes cancellations.

That's a truly wonderful bit of bass playing, that song.

Only came here to excitably yell "Oceansize!!!” Huge amounts of Biffy Clyro stuff is in things that aren't 4/4, and they're very good at squeezing it in but making it sound perfectly natural. This shifts effortlessly from 3 to 5 and back again... And this goes to a whole bunch of different places musically and dynamically in less than five minutes....

There's definitely a history on here of everyone mobbing round whatever budget bass is found to be slightly less bad than you expect a cheap bass to be. Remember the SX craze? I think this forum must have bought most of their stock over the course of a few months. There'll be another one along soon, there always is!

A lot of lower end consumer models aren't built for rack mounting because most of their target market won't be looking to cart a rack around. All professional standard radio kit is built for rack mounting because 90% of the time, that's how it will be used. Second hand Sennheiser G3 kit is available for good prices these days. I wouldn't go for anything less than that. Huge step up in quality from the likes of Line 6.

That's crazy. The real thing was around £1250 when I got mine!

There's these guys....

Because like any popularity contest, the "greatest" basslines are, in the eyes of the public, the ones they most easily recognise, or the ones that feature at the forefront of their respective songs.

Put it on my 8 year old son's tabet and he spent the afternoon sat in the garden making beats. Definitely a worthwhile download, thanks again!

Nice spot! Just downloaded and killed 10 minutes making a beat when I should be cracking on with DIY. If the missus asks, I'm blaming you.

Agree that it's an additional carry (although your speakers get lighter, so it's a weight/space trade-off) but doesn't have to be more faff. It's not at all hard to put a tidy amp rack together with all the connections on a patch panel. Our usual setups that go on small gigs have the crossover and amps all racked up, permanently wired together, and it's just two XLRs and one power in, and speaker cables out. No faff. Likewise with monitor amps - four channels of amp in a rack, four XLRs loomed together for the input. It's much, much quicker and tidier than running loads of XLR and IEC mains cables everywhere. Thomann's own brand t.amp units are great value for money and they've got lightweight four channel amps (all 2u high) at various power levels. You could have a crossover and four channel amp for mains, plus a four channel amp for monitors, all connections neatly on a patch panel, and fit it in one manageable 6u rack.

I'm probably in a minority opinion here, but in my small sound company I've shifted almost all of our stock over to passive boxes and separate amps. You add a bit of pack space and weight, but you gain a little flexibility and, importantly for me, it's better for redundancy and maintenance. Whenever I've had an amp fail in a powered speaker, it's an expensive bespoke part from the manufacturer, often costing as much or more than the S/H value of the speaker itself. If I have an amp in a rack go down, I can swap an amp out for another generic item. If it happens mid-show, I can run more than one speaker off a single amp channel to get through the gig. There's less cabling mess on stage too, as all your signal and power stays localised in one spot and you only run speaker cables out to each box. With regards to monitoring - this very much depends on what your band are used to/happy with. Personally, when I've played pub gigs I've always just made do without, but doing function/corporate work I've always made sure there's proper monitoring on stage. With only two aux sends available for monitors, you'll struggle to satisfy a six piece band. You've mentioned that two of you use IEMs already. That leaves no monitor mixes available for the rest of the band. If that's an issue, you'll have to look at upgrading your mixer at some point - a popular low budget choice is the Behringer XR18, which gives you 16 mic inputs, a stereo line input, six aux outputs for mons, and a lot of processing options. I've got one in our stock and have it racked up with a WiFi router hardwired in and a tablet that lives in the case, and it's a very tidy solution for small gigs. Got to be honest, not a fan of coloured cables. Looks terrible on stage IMO. Colour coding the ends is one thing (or tape with a name/logo under clear heatshrink wrap) but I'd keep it black purely for aesthetics.

This. If you're actually recording ideas and adding your own parts then sending back and forth, working to a click track will make it much easier to sync up.

Less expensive than the Denon you mentioned, but I'm more than happy with my Sony MDR 7506 cans. Use them for reference when mixing love shows, monitoring when recording, and have been using them for a bit of lockdown bass playing through one of those nifty Yamaha things we've all been buying the last couple of weeks. Popular amongst the professional sound engineering community.

If you're playing in venues that have an in house system and an FOH, the FOH engineer may choose to chuck a DI box in there, but may be equally happy to use your amp's XLR out. I'll normally use one when I'm mixing a band I don't know, or a multi-band bill. Gives me consistency and takes an unknown/variable out of the equation. If I'm with a band that I'm touring with, I'll use any combination of pre and post effect DIs, amp DI and cab mics depending on what I feel is necessary to capture things effectively. If you do buy one, don't waste your money on a cheap Behringer etc. The absolute best budget boxes are from Orchid Electronics - a small UK builder, they'll do you a hand assembled great quality box for the price of an entry level unit from a big manufacturer. I've got half a dozen of their Micro DI and Classic DI in my touring kit, they're rock solid.

That's a lovely big fat sounding snare when the drummer finally starts laying in to it towards the end. Great performance.

Got one coming tomorrow too - I'd not played a gig in over a year having packed it in to focus on mixing them instead, hoping to use this lockdown to polish up my bass skills a bit!

There's about a £1000 price difference between the two. Yamaha basses are always well built and decent instruments but a proper USA Stingray is a fantastic instrument on a different level altogether to that Yamaha.

Interesting - I'll check this out. I do a lot of gigs as a monitor engineer and toured a 3D mixing system for IEMs with an artist I worked with last year, which I was over the moon with. Be interested to hear how this stuff is processed and whether it's a similar result. If you're that way inclined, check out Klang (https://www.klang.com/en/home) - you feed it individual channels or stems from your console and you can place them anywhere in the horizontal or vertical plane to create a fully 3D image in your IEMs. I was sceptical before trying it but it's incredible. The actual hardware to use it live is a fair few quid, but you can download the software for free and run the demo mode, which comes with a load of multitracks that you can mess about with. It's the next big leap in monitoring, IMO. Although the hardware isn't out for this bit yet, the software has implemented motion tracking too, so you can position elements in your ears as they appear around you on stage, and they'll move with you as you turn your head!

Some outrageous totals on here! I'm down to four: 2004 Musicman Stingray - my first "proper" bass and the one that'll never leave me! 2004ish Sandberg Cali JM4 - traded on here for my backup 'ray about 11 years ago. 1997 Squier Affinity P-Special - my first ever bass, so it's around for sentimental reasons. "Extreme" Jazz Bass copy - a nice functional cheapie that I won in a charity raffle on this very forum a long time ago. Currently strung with flats. Depending on how the financial situation plays out this year the Sandberg might end up going, but the Stingray is staying for life, and the other two aren't really worth parting with, so they get played around the house. Just sold a guitar this week too, so my skinny-string total is down to three - my USA Tele, an Ibanez acoustic, and the Epiphone Les Paul Special that is the first instrument I ever owned. Think that's about as minimal as I can get it!

Well, in light of our current global predicament, my entire industry has collapsed and I'm having to mothball my company's assets until all this blows over and find some other work. If anyone's interested in hiring someone who's nailed down their project management skills making arena shows work seamlessly and on schedule with half the budget and resources you're meant to have, polished up their communication skills taking a band from Liverpool to headline a 30k cap festival in Belarus for the British Embassy in Minsk, or who's learned to work under extreme pressure being in the monitor chair for a Grammy-winning queen of hip-hop, I'm here and I'm available! Did seven years at BT before I pivoted my career back to music too, in various fields including project management, process improvement and change delivery. Sorry if it's a bit of a thread hijack, but there's such a diverse set of experiences and professions here, and mine's just vanished out from under me, so if anyone's got any opportunities for short term or longer term work in project management, business improvement, logistics, comms, anything where I can put my skills to good use, I'd love to chat to you!