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[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1322357339' post='1449981'] Sorry, I just found this funny for some reason. [/quote] Shame, you could have 'liked' it.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1322357238' post='1449979'] [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial]Not a sensible idea. Every fret will be out of tune. If you change the scale the distance between every fret has to be recalculated. [/font][/color][/size] [/quote] The frets won't be out of tune, it's only like putting a capo on, but you're correct it is not a sensible idea at all. The nut would have to be exactly where the second fret was - making the scale length about 30.3" I guess - and then there's the truss rod question and then there's Ou7shined's question of 'why?'.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1322353096' post='1449950'] What about Bros? [/quote] They certainly proved a few people wrong.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1322352578' post='1449940'] I think it's really rather nice when people 'inherit' talent or skills, whether through their genes or the environment in which they are raised. For one thing, it gives parent and child a common interest and something to talk about at tea-time. As has been no doubt already been noted, infant prodigies and musical dynasties are nothing new. Mozart, the Bachs and the Strausses, Tim and Jeff Buckley. And it works sideways too - The Watersons, The Everley Bros, The Andrews sisters all benefit from a sort of sibling musicality. There's definitely a force at work in these instances Mind you, the Gallaghers, Jakob Dylan and the Lennon offspring offer a disturbing counter-argument.[/quote] You forgot the Chuckle Brothers.

[quote name='Veils' timestamp='1322348907' post='1449897'] I'm almost slightly scared to listen just in case I don't like it and that means the rest of the stuff I do like isn't real music [/quote] Yes, the thread title put me right off it too.

[quote name='GeeCee' timestamp='1322343631' post='1449803'] Fair enough, but hardly hideous methinks [/quote] I think Wayne may have been poking with a stick.

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1322334627' post='1449622'] Jaydee's really are hideous looking things. [/quote] Not my cup of tea either.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1322330717' post='1449560'] If it was built in 1991 and was left in the closet since how did it get to America? [/quote] The closet must have been exported without being opened. It's the only possible explanation. Mark King's been wondering what happened to it ever since.

Put a capo on the second fret, it will save using a saw.

[quote name='skinzz' timestamp='1322339178' post='1449706'] have you tried the ghs precisions and the pyramids ? [/quote] I've used both on my Lakland Decade and like them both, the GHS are slightly less dull sounding out of the packet and both are medium tension. I've only ever played a Rickenbacker with rounds so I can't help specifically on the Ricky. If you're going to see Martin Sims I'd very possibly take his advice but - other than that and given what you've said - I'd probably go for the GHS, get the bass set up properly and then play it lots for a couple of months to get used to what you can do with those strings. Then you can think again if you want to.

[quote name='Lfalex v1.1' timestamp='1322336571' post='1449654'] Sorry?! which is this? The philosophy of economics or the economics of philosophy? [/quote] Not sure yet, I'm trying to work it out.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1322335471' post='1449638'] But it's only worth more if someone is prepared to pay more for it . [/quote] So, does that mean that there's no such thing as a bargain price?

It's a tough one. The low tension TIs will be quite sensitive to how you play them, less so the Pyramids and the GHS. If you play with a heavier touch and dig in more then I'd go for the Pyramids or the GHS and only for the TIs if you have a fairly light touch. Whatever you choose to do you will need, IMHO, to stick to that choice for a while, a few months, and get used to the feel of the strings you choose. It might still be that some other string than the ones you choose would be better, in some sense, but it would be good practice to get the most out of whatever you choose to fit.

[quote name='Legion' timestamp='1322332368' post='1449593'] The Bass Doc is on the case. Case closed [/quote] Is that for the Decade?

Fix the Jazz as outlined above or get a Squier Classic Vibe Precision Bass.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1322333833' post='1449611'] An Item is worth whatever someone will pay at that moment [/quote] Unless you think you got a bargain, in which case it was worth more.

[quote name='skinzz' timestamp='1322322168' post='1449386'] hi ive just bought a set of ti jazz flats on my rick 4003, after playing them for a while im not sure about the low tension, i seem to get a lot of unwanted noise from strings with these as im no good at muting yet as im a newbie to bass im now thinking of putting these on a cheap bass that i have and buying a set of ghs precision flats for my rick i dont know what gauge tho , they come in GAUGE GUIDE MODEL# 1st-G 2nd-D 3rd-A 4th-E 3025 FB45 FB60 FB75 FB95 M3050 FB45 FB65 FB85 FB105 3050 FB55 FB70 FB90 FB105 M3050 seems to be the most popular for sale any advice would be appreciated either about my ti jazz flats or a string change or good flats in general, i had a set of pyramid golds on the rick which were ok but not a great range of sound compared to the ti's regards chris [/quote] For the GHS flats I'd go for the 3050M medium set. With the TIs have you set up the action and intonation? Because of the lower tension you might need a little tweak on the trussrod to give a little more relief for the lower tension strings.

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1322315564' post='1449277'] Just go in to the bass guitar forum and type Squier in to the search box. Loads of posts about them. For what it's worth I love my CV's. Having owned higher end basses in the past I now realise the cheap basses play every bit as well as those costing two or three times the cost. They aren't perfect, and the colour options are way too limited but for the price I think they rival the American standards. One thing to note is that they have vintage style frets. These are a bit lower than the usual medium jumbo frets and I love them. You won't find these on most of the cheaper end Fenders so it's something else to consider over the MIM. [/quote] I like those vintage frets.

[quote name='RhysP' timestamp='1322314094' post='1449231'] I suppose the easiest solution is if you find it boring then don't come on here. Forum participation is not mandatory as far as I am aware. [/quote] Oh dear, I've been telling Mrs ET that it was mandatory.

[quote name='barneyg42' timestamp='1322313680' post='1449223'] Oh this is getting hard work to be honest.....from day one since the change over I've really struggled with the forum. I accepted that there would be teething problems and carried on struggling for a while but it's really pissing me off now. I've found it so much slower and the main problem has been that when I pressed the back button (either in the top corner of the browser or right click and back) I would have to do it several times before it would return to the previous page. Then I found out about the change theme button. changed theme to the IP one and it was all good. So a couple of days ago clicked on my Basschat button to find I had to log in, no probs, logged in and it's back to the Basschat theme and the same old back button problem. So I go to change the theme and it won't bloody change! I click on the change theme button and a little window comes open on it which I guess should have the option to click and change but it's empty. It gets to the point that i really don't want to trawl through the forum as I'm clicking away like a nutter just to go back a couple of pages. Any ideas anyone? Just to add, I'm using IE9, just fired up Safari and the back button problem doesn't come up but I'm still not able to change the theme! [/quote] I don't know about the rest of what you say but the IP Theme is no longer working for anyone I think.

[quote name='thebigyin' timestamp='1322309938' post='1449162'] sorry guyz new to this.....what thread?? [/quote] Not sure what you mean by 'what thread?' but this thread would commonly go in 'Bass Guitars' forum rather than 'Bass Reviews' forum, not that it really matters except that you'll get many more responses in 'Bass Guitars'. The link I posted above is to a CV Jazz review and lots of other comments.

[quote name='janmaat' timestamp='1322303878' post='1449030'] The correct plural of forum is fora since forum is neuter. Kasus Singular Plural Nominativ for[b]um[/b] for[b]a[/b] Genitiv for[b]ī[/b] for[b]ōrum[/b] Dativ for[b]ō[/b] for[b]īs[/b] Akkusativ for[b]um[/b] for[b]a[/b] Ablativ for[b]ō[/b] for[b]īs[/b] [/quote] See, Basschat is not boring at all, it's highly educational.

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1322259643' post='1448822'] I'll bring the smoke grenades and the van [/quote] Given the size of the B10 in its case, a van would be handy.

[quote name='AttitudeCastle' timestamp='1322259472' post='1448819'] Also, Perfect and relative pitch don't develop you either have it or you don't. Always that way or never that way. Though something akin to the two can come with pure experience but perfect pitch it self, or relative pitch? You can't learn, [/quote] It's not at all as simple as you either have it or you don't and you can't learn it. [quote] Wikipedia: [b]Influence by music experience[/b] Absolute pitch sense appears to be influenced by cultural exposure to music, especially in the familiarization of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament"]equal-tempered[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_scale"]C-major scale[/url]. Most of the absolute listeners that were tested in this respect identified the C-major tones more reliably and, except for B, more quickly than the five "black key" tones,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-17"][18][/url][/sup] which corresponds to the higher prevalence of these tones in ordinary musical experience. One study of Dutch non-musicians also demonstrated a bias toward using C-major tones in ordinary speech, especially on syllables related to emphasis.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-18"][19][/url][/sup] [b]Linguistics[/b] Absolute pitch is more common among speakers of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonal_language"]tonal languages[/url] such as most dialects of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_language"]Chinese[/url] or [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_language"]Vietnamese[/url], which depend heavily on pitch variation across single words for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicon"]lexical[/url] meaning (e.g. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Mandarin"]Mandarin[/url] with four possible pitch variations, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Cantonese"]Cantonese[/url] with six or seven (depending on dialect), [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Min_Language"]Minnan[/url] with seven or eight (depending on dialect), and Vietnamese with six.)[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-jasa138th-19"][20][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-jasa148th-20"][21][/url][/sup] Speakers of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Tibetan_languages"]Sino-Tibetan languages[/url] have been reported to speak a word in the same absolute pitch (within a quarter-tone) on different days; it has therefore been suggested that absolute pitch may be acquired by infants when they learn to speak in a tonal language[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu-2004-21"][22][/url][/sup] (and possibly also by infants when they learn to speak in a pitch stress language). However, the brains of tonal-language speakers do not naturally process musical sound as language;[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-22"][23][/url][/sup] perhaps such individuals may be more likely to acquire absolute pitch for musical tones when they later receive musical training. Also many native speakers of a tone language, even those with little musical training, are observed to sing the same piece in the same key consistently. Among music students of East Asian ethnic heritage, those who speak a tone language very fluently have a much higher prevalence of absolute pitch than those who speak only nontone language.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-phil-jasa-2006-23"][24][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu-2009-24"][25][/url][/sup] It is possible that level-tone languages which are found in Africa—such as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_language"]Yoruba[/url],[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-25"][26][/url][/sup] with three pitch levels, and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mambila"]Mambila[/url],[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-26"][27][/url][/sup] with four—may be better suited to study the role of absolute pitch in speech than the pitch and contour tone languages of East Asia. Further, speakers of European languages have been found to make use of an absolute, though subconscious, pitch memory when speaking.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-27"][28][/url][/sup] [sup]... [/sup] [b]Special populations[/b] The prevalence of absolute pitch is higher among those who are blind from birth as a result of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optic_nerve_hypoplasia"]optic nerve hypoplasia[/url]. The prevalence of absolute pitch is considerably higher among individuals with early childhood in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asia"]East Asia[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-greg-39"][40][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006-40"][41][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006b-41"][42][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2007-42"][43][/url][/sup] While this difference might seem to be genetic in origin;[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-zlab-43"][44][/url][/sup] individuals of East Asian ancestry who are born or reared in the United States or Canada are significantly less likely to develop absolute pitch than those raised in East Asia.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2007-42"][43][/url][/sup] This presents the likelihood that the difference is explained by cultural experience rather than genetic heritage. Language may be an important factor; many East Asians speak tonal languages such as Mandarin and Cantonese, while others (such as those in Japan and certain provinces of Korea) speak pitch accent languages, and the prevalence of absolute pitch may be partly explained by exposure to pitches together with meaningful musical labels very early in life.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006-40"][41][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2006b-41"][42][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2007-42"][43][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-deu_2004-44"][45][/url][/sup] Absolute pitch ability has higher prevalence among those with [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_Syndrome"]Williams Syndrome[/url][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-lenhoff-45"][46][/url][/sup] and those with an [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism_spectrum_disorder"]autism spectrum disorder[/url], with rates as high as 30% claimed, stating that the rate among musicians in general is far lower.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Sacks.2C_O._2007-46"][47][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-heaton-47"][48][/url][/sup] [sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-48"][49][/url][/sup] [b]Nature vs. nurture[/b] Absolute pitch might be achievable by any human being during a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period"]critical period[/url] of auditory development,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Sakakibara.2C_2004-49"][50][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Chin.2C_2003-50"][51][/url][/sup] after which period [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive"]cognitive[/url] strategies favor global and relational processing. Proponents of the critical-period theory agree that the presence of absolute pitch ability is dependent on learning, but there is disagreement about whether training causes absolute skills to occur[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Oura_.26_Eguchi.2C_1982-51"][52][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Sakakibara.2C_1999-52"][53][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Miyazaki.2C_2006-53"][54][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Lau.2C_2004-54"][55][/url][/sup] or lack of training causes absolute perception to be overwhelmed and obliterated by relative perception of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_intervals"]musical intervals[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Abraham_1901-55"][56][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Saffran_and_Griepentrog.2C_2001-56"][57][/url][/sup] There may be a genetic locus for absolute pitch ability,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Theusch.2C_E._et_al.-57"][58][/url][/sup] which locus would suggest a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics"]genetic[/url] basis for its presence or absence.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Drayna.2C_D._et_al.-58"][59][/url][/sup] A genetic basis, should it exist, might represent either a predisposition for learning the ability or signal the likelihood of its spontaneous occurrence. An unequivocal resolution to the ongoing debate would require [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_experiment"]controlled experiments[/url] that are both impractical and unethical. Researchers have been trying to teach absolute pitch ability in laboratory settings for more than a century,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-Meyer_1899-59"][60][/url][/sup] and various commercial absolute-pitch training courses have been offered to the public since the early 1900s.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-60"][61][/url][/sup] However, no adult has ever been documented to have acquired absolute listening ability,[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-61"][62][/url][/sup] as all adults who have undergone AP training have failed, when formally tested, to show "an unqualified level of accuracy... comparable to that of AP possessors".[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_pitch#cite_note-62"][63][/url][/sup] [/quote]

[quote name='Beedster' timestamp='1322258968' post='1448813'] Must come along to your next gig Dave [/quote] Well, at the moment, that's not until March 2nd.