EssentialTension

He's a great bassist and has been a massive influence on many later bassists. I think he himself must have been influenced by Jamerson and you can hear that on [i]Something[/i], which you mention. You'll find here that there are two camps - those who rate him and maybe were influenced by him and the rest.

[quote name='Bassassin' post='902200' date='Jul 22 2010, 06:58 PM']Nothing, all the time you're speaking colloquially with other musicians. As soon as you start needing to be more specific (or you're in the company of an agonisingly pedantic git, like me) the question you may get is "a bass [i]what[/i]?" "Bass" simply refers to the instrument's tonal range, it tells you nothing about what type of instrument it is or what family of instruments it belongs to.[/quote] +1 on this. I was chatting to a bloke in a pub and it became apparent that he was a musician. He said he was a baritone. I was slightly confused but it turned out he was a classically trained singer - baritone, not bass, not tenor, etc, but baritone. He, and other singers, use the range of their voices to name what they do, just as we name what we do with our guitars by its range, i.e. bass. Upright players do the same.

And here's another bass guitar patent from 1959:

[quote name='Rich' post='902017' date='Jul 22 2010, 03:29 PM']So these three are all the same thing? Wow, I'm really confused now. [/quote] No, not all three the same. Only the B.C. Rich can be used to take the cap off a beer bottle.

[quote name='Rich' post='901887' date='Jul 22 2010, 01:51 PM']OK. What's this? [/quote] It's an acoustic bass guitar.

[quote name='chris_b' post='901892' date='Jul 22 2010, 01:54 PM']An EUB is derived from a double bass, but the Fender Precision was derived from the Fender Broadcaster/Telecaster. One is fretted, the other isn't. One is a guitar the other isn't!! How on earth can we get 2 pages of disagreement on this??[/quote] And not for the first time ... or probably last time.

[quote name='XB26354' post='901739' date='Jul 22 2010, 11:20 AM']I think your original post confused [i]rules[/i] with [i]music theory[/i]. I also think you are confused between the conventions that are used to describe music and the freedom we have to make such music.[/quote] I think there is some confusion here about the meaning of 'rules'. Not all 'rules' have the same kind of status, so: [u]An example of a ‘rule’ that cannot be broken:[/u] When the notes C-E-G (or any three notes of the same relationship) are played together it is, as a ‘rule’, called a major triad. Can this ‘rule’ be broken? No. Let’s say you played C-Eb-G instead, then you haven’t broken the ‘rule’, you have merely not played a major triad. You have played what, as a ‘rule’, we call a minor triad. No ‘rule’ is broken. Imagine you decided to rename the major triad as ‘happy triad’ and the minor triad as ‘sad triad’. Is then a ‘rule’ broken? Well, perhaps, but it is only the naming ‘rule’ that is broken, the underlying ‘rule’ about the musical relationship of the notes is not broken. These kinds of ‘rules’ are descriptive ‘rules’. You can play whatever you like, but a major triad remains a major triad, and there is a clear and standard ‘rule’ that we call it so. This is a convention we use to describe music. [u]An example of a ‘rule’ that can be broken:[/u] As a ‘rule’, concert pitch is A=440Hz. You can break this ‘rule’ by tuning your instrument to A=435Hz. If all your musical colleagues do the same, then you will have broken the ‘rule’ by setting up a new ‘rule’ (i.e. A=435Hz) – so the ‘rule’ is broken in a sense but only by the setting up of a replacement ‘rule’. However, if I tune to A=435Hz while my colleagues remain fixed to the ‘rule’ of A=440Hz then I am most definitely breaking the ‘rule’ and my music will likely suffer for it. Nonetheless I am free to break this ‘rule’ if I care to do so. This is a freedom we have to make music.

[quote name='derrenleepoole' post='901705' date='Jul 22 2010, 10:31 AM']Interestingly a double bass is named as such, because at the time, the only bass in orchestras was provided by cellos, so the invention of the upright bass 'doubled' the bass available. Does this mean that because the double bass is essentially a larger cello make it a cello?[/quote] In construction, the double bass is the bass instrument of the violin family - violin, viola, violincello, and bass viol. In construction, the bass guitar is the bass instrument of the guitar family - tenor guitar, guitar, baritone guitar, bass guitar. However, it doesn't really matter.

[quote name='Tait' post='901427' date='Jul 21 2010, 10:52 PM']The biggest problem with this, and most new things Squier seems to be bringing out, is that there is only one choice of colour scheme. I'm also not quite sure why it's part of the VM range, it's not based on any sort of vintage bass, if IIRC the Jaguar bass only came out in the 2000's.[/quote] Fair point but perhaps it's a 1960 stack-knob Jazz that's been modified with a Jaguar body and pickguard and a P pickup.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='900787' date='Jul 21 2010, 10:36 AM']I notice that the "how do you like your sound?" thread has been revived. A quick scan through reveals that a lot of the people who posted in this thread arguing for versatility in playing styles don't appear to have the same approach to sounds. Interesting...[/quote] But that wasn't the question asked there. I'll change bass, or pickup, or where I play with my fingers, or occasionally use a pick, change the tone controls, fretted or fretless, or whatever to suit what I'm trying to play. None of that stops me having a sound I particularly like.

[quote name='witterth' post='900743' date='Jul 21 2010, 09:31 AM']Nah its a guy called John Scott, who played guitar and bass on the record. I worked with him for a while, good musician ( and an Albert Lee fan) I'll ask him about that bass next time I see him, though knowing him, it will most likley be a borrowed one.[/quote] So, on the Youtube clip, is John Scott the bassist or one of the guitarists or none of those? And does Martin Hannett feature at all in the clip?

[quote name='witterth' post='900743' date='Jul 21 2010, 09:31 AM']Nah its a guy called John Scott, who played guitar and bass on the record. I worked with him for a while, good musician ( and an Albert Lee fan) I'll ask him about that bass next time I see him, though knowing him, it will most likley be a borrowed one.[/quote] Fair enough. I'd thought it might be Hannett because I believed he was the producer.

I think originally 'soap bar' was merely a reference to one of the two variant casings on a single-coil Gibson/Epiphone P90 guitar pickup, the other being the 'dog ear': P90 'soap bar': P90 'dog ear': So I'd guess all that makes something a 'soap bar' pickup is the rectangular casing. Someone's going to say though that it will be a casing without any pole pieces showing.

[quote name='evilLordJuju' post='900435' date='Jul 20 2010, 08:12 PM']And, i'm sure most of you already know this... but the singer is now more widely known as John Shuttleworth[/quote] And I think the bassist was [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Hannett"]Martin Hannett[/url].

[quote name='thinman' post='899307' date='Jul 19 2010, 07:30 PM']Say you were playing something that goes across the strings, i.e. same fret, what would be the recommended fingering? E.g. if the following tab makes any sense how would it be best played : [font="Courier New"] |--------------------------------------- |------------------------7-------------- |---------------------7----7------------ |---------------5--7-------------------- [/font][/quote] I might be tempted to play it like this using index finger only [font="Courier New"] |------------------------2-------------- |----------------------2---2------------ |---------------0--2-------------------- |---------------------------------------- [/font] It would depend partly on where I was coming from and going to.

[quote name='Pete Academy' post='900194' date='Jul 20 2010, 03:52 PM']I expect Doddy will be wearing his hat in Germany this Friday at the Formula One gig, helping himself to free food and booze, whilst ogling gorgeous women and pocketing a great wage to boot. Who's laughing now? [/quote] Perfect answer

[quote name='Grand Wazoo' post='898279' date='Jul 18 2010, 06:51 PM']did you watch this demo? [/quote] Sounds pretty good, but has anyone else noticed how Ed Friedland manages to make every bass sound good? He [i]is[/i] the bass whisperer.

[quote name='merello' post='899752' date='Jul 20 2010, 09:54 AM']This is kind of like a blonds are better than brunettes thread! [/quote] No, I can't be doing with maple, rosewood every time for me.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='899719' date='Jul 20 2010, 09:09 AM']Yeah, thats what i read. I think in the beginning it wasn't clear and people were basing it on the coloured ball ends.[/quote] All the evidence says D'Addario now.

[quote name='dave_bass5' post='899244' date='Jul 19 2010, 06:39 PM']Can anyone confirm the stock strings are XL's? I know they look like them but there is a lot fo talk about this on TB and the general feeling is they are Fenders. To my fingers they didnt feel like XLs but there are also a gauge down from what im used to so maybe that was it. For what its worth my MIA jazz should be here tomorrow and im really looking forward to comparing it to my CVJ.[/quote] You mean D'Addario XLs? I thought mine were D'Addario XLs but I've read that D'Addario are now making Fender's strings which might completely explain why they are D'Addarios on a Squier.

[quote name='Linus27' post='899605' date='Jul 19 2010, 11:50 PM']Thats interesting, I have a Squire Vintage Modified Fretless Jazz which I believe came out before the Squire CV range but says Made in Indonesia. Are we saying that they were made in Indonesia, then shifted production to China for the CV range and then back to Indonesia?[/quote] The CVs have China and a Chinese serial number (unless some of the newest ones don't), but that CV production has moved to Indonesia doesn't seem to have benn established, as far as I can see.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' post='899150' date='Jul 19 2010, 05:20 PM']1 in 34 posts in favour of the Rotosounds then![/quote] 1 in [s]35[/s] 36 now.

[quote name='Doddy' post='899114' date='Jul 19 2010, 04:34 PM']Right,moving away from what seems to be the weekly Marcus Miller argument,and back on topic slightly........ It's been mentioned by a couple of people that when they play,they always sound like themselves. Now,obviously everyone has their own way of playing and sounding,but would you rather be in a situation where you can do your 'thing' with your own sound and let your voice be heard,or are you happy to adapt what you do into other situations?[/quote] Not only happy to adapt, but also keen to have a go at new things.

[quote name='BigRedX' post='899003' date='Jul 19 2010, 02:45 PM']Prices start at £4500...[/quote] I've got a fretted Fender P, a fretless Fender P, a Squier J, a Lakland, a Michael Kelly acoustic, and a NS EUB. The lot cost substantially less than £4500.