EssentialTension

My strap is adjusted so that the bass hangs in roughly the same place sitting as standing. Then, most learning and practising is done sitting down or, if I get the urge, I stand up.

[b]BBC Radio 2 - Greatest Cover Versions: Top 50[/b] [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/playlists/zzzzcm"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/playlists/zzzzcm[/url]

[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_version"]https://en.wikipedia...i/Cover_version[/url] [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_band"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_band[/url]

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1469467904' post='3098571'] If you make some method of returning to something it's a record, the black circular thing came much later than the word didn't it? [/quote] Exactly.

Dave [s]Edmunds[/s] Mackay demands Billy Bremner play fewer mad guitar solos.

[quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1469451540' post='3098360'] It could well be. Still, suggestions for getting a sound close to this with an electric would still be welcome. [/quote] Fender Precision, possibly fretless, flatwound La Bellas, play fingerstyle over the end of the fingerboard, treble rolled off.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1469451432' post='3098358'] Another disappointing thread title... [/quote] Yes, I too was expecting the tonewood discussion all over again.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1469450423' post='3098351'] The person who wrote it must have made some kind of recording to be able to have it covered, even Tab would be sufficient as a 'record' of the song's existence? [/quote] Often, in the old days, the composer would have written out the dots above the lyricist's words. No recording, unless we are going to call the dots a recording method which, of course, it was.

Is it producer Phil Thornalley on double bass?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1469449964' post='3098347'] I've never been in an originals band that hauled sound and lights and I've never been in a covers band that didn't. Non of said bands performed in Milwaukee. [/quote] How about Wigan? Ever play there?

[quote name='JonesTheCat' timestamp='1468880058' post='3094071'] On a similar note I just re-discovered what a cracking pop album Left of the Middle by Natalie Imbruglia is, purely from hearing Torn on the radio and actually listening to the bass line. ... [/quote] [url="http://www.soundonsound.com/people/phil-thornalley-torn"]http://www.soundonsound.com/people/phil-thornalley-torn[/url]

[quote name='Grahambythesea' timestamp='1469448282' post='3098329'] I agree, didn't realise it until I saw the film of Mama Mia on which I am told Rutger played. If he didn't someone did an awfully good impression of his sound. [/quote] I believe Gunnarson is credited as bass and bouzouki on the film soundtrack.

[quote name='Sammers' timestamp='1469439863' post='3098222'] I'm not so sure that'd be classed as trying to pass it off as an original, it was still credited to the original writers so was all above board... unlike Led Zep with dazed & confused when that was released! [/quote] ... and one of the original writers produced it and played on it.

And here's Imbruglia produced by one of the writers, Phil Thornalley, who also played bass ... [media]http://youtu.be/VV1XWJN3nJo[/media]

http://youtu.be/47Z2AiQqsD8

With Danish lyrics by Elisabeth Nielsen ... [media]http://youtu.be/fO5syjCX0xs[/media]

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1469378062' post='3097821'] I seemed to remember the Australian girl from Neigbours passed off "Torn" or a similar song as an original , then Chris Evans found european version which sounded exactly the same and predated it, so Im sure its not done and got away with 100s of times in the charts. [/quote] These versions (and more) all predate Natalie Imbruglia ... the song was composed and written by members of Ednaswap (Anne Preven and Scott Cutler) and producer (Phil Thornally who also produced the Natalie Imbruglia album). [media]http://youtu.be/V1SH1YdITDI[/media]

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1469392513' post='3097995'] Looking at last nights punters in Wigan, you would have got away with a two hour Smurfs cover set. [/quote]

[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1469363077' post='3097676'] Thanks. I have it on my list to visit the PRS site and study the rules but for now I really can't be arsed. [/quote] If and when you can be arsed here's the live events programme form ... [url="https://www.prsformusic.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/PPS%20Tariffs/Programme%20Form%20Popular.pdf"]https://www.prsformusic.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/PPS%20Tariffs/Programme%20Form%20Popular.pdf[/url]

Killamonjambo + Euphony + Farai and Forest Dawn + DJ Jekyll ... Brixton Hootananny ... This Saturday 30th July.

[quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1469361072' post='3097656'] You wouldn't get away with it in Wigan though [/quote] Ha ha! Very good.

[quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1469360448' post='3097648'] True, but 'no good' is largely a subjective opinion and prior information can help the punter choose whether to pay for the experience or not. I'd very much like to know the basic genre of music an unknown (to me) band would be playing before I pay to see them. I can then avoid wasting my money on metal or rap bands, whether they are playing covers or originals. [/quote] I don't really accept that 'no good' is largely a subjective opinion - even if there may sometimes be an element of personal subjective and/or cultural relative judgement involved. However I don't intend to debate that matter here or now. So let's not get into that. I do fully accept that punters may like to know something about what they are going to see and hear including genre. They may think so-called originals versus so-called covers is important but I don't or, if i do, it's in a rather minimal and secondary way. I too woudln't be interested in a genre called 'metal' but for rap I'd have to ask: what sort of rap? Either way I probably wouldn't be asking 'originals or covers?'.

[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1469358251' post='3097609'] Are there PRS issues with that? [/quote] If you are completing a PRS form for the promoter then you ought to tell the truth - but the PRS form is not the audience. The PRS form isn't interested in whether it's a so-called cover or so-called original - they just want to know the composers/authors/arrangers.

[quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1469356985' post='3097589'] Fair point, and in the final analysis liking the music played is the main thing. But if a punter is going to spend good money on a band they've not seen or heard before it's useful for them to know if the band will be playing originals or covers (or maybe both). Neither is intrinsically better than the other, it just helps inform the punter. They might like the 'safe' option of covers, knowing that they'll likely recognise most of the songs, or they might be up for some new music - it doesn't really matter what they choose but it sometimes helps if they can made an informed choice. Also, such information is pretty important for anyone planning to book a function band . . . to the point that they may even want to specify what is going to be played, to some degree. [/quote] I take your points but it remains the case that no good is no good whether it's so-called original or so-called cover.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1469357537' post='3097601'] Are there ANY bands doing a full set of covers taken from obscure albums passing them off as their own or at least not mentioning it in any way? [/quote] It would be quite feasible to select an excellent setlist of, for example, obscure and for most people unknown northern soul tunes and have an audience drinking and dancing and happy. No need to tell the audience 'covers' or 'original' or anything.