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[quote name='Cosmo Valdemar' timestamp='1454077891' post='2966221'] That would work assuming nobody has left or joined since. We may have had a sudden rush of 85 year old bassists joing our ranks. [/quote] ... and that everyone voted last year.

[quote name='12stringbassist' timestamp='1454077165' post='2966205'] Please enter how old you are during Jan 2016. Thanks. [/quote] I started January on 63 but I will finish it on 64.

... and in other news, Paul Kantner dead. [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/277925-paul-kantner-joins-the-2016-list"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/277925-paul-kantner-joins-the-2016-list[/url]

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1454073557' post='2966115'] Back then, it was more a case of 'lay back and let it all flow'. The Dead fulfilled that role to perfection. [/quote] Yes, I know, I was there. Well not in San Francisco exactly but there nonetheless.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1454015471' post='2965559'] I'm a bit surprised; I had always though that one had to 'be there' to 'get it'. The Grand Master Casady has always been, along with Phil Lesh, my ultimate bass player, throughout the Airplane, Starship and Hot Tuna days. The late Spencer Dryden, drummer with the Airplane, found it difficult at times to find places to fit the drums into the arrangements, so much sonic space was taken by the JC sound. This explains to some extent the oft-times brilliance of their interplay.Great bassist; great drummer. A winning combination, for me. Happy daze. [/quote] I don't mean to knock Lesh, who is also an interesting player, but he never makes me sit up and take notice the way Casady can.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1454019923' post='2965626'] You are of course quite right in everything you say, but you are kinda missing my original point. To a white teenage rock fan in a northern city in the late 70s, [b]reggae was part of the alternative to mainstream pop [/b]and [b]therefore was part of the wider alternative rock[/b] (of that time) culture. To this day I quite like hearing the odd reggae track but I know nothing about the genre or own any albums by any reggae artist except Bob Marley, although I did used to have a Steel Pulse album about 30 years ago (I wonder where that went). [/quote] I didn't miss your point, I agreed with it, but I didn't understand your 'rock' to mean other genres which I still maintain are not rock. By the late 1970s in the UK, reggae was one of the alternatives to mainstream pop (and, indeed, had been for some time). I agree, I have no dispute at all about that. Although it's worth remembering that reggae (or other Jamaican forms) sometimes had mainstream pop success e.g. Althea and Donna in 1977: [media]http://youtu.be/KVBmeWAsRAA[/media] But rock music, which, like reggae, as you imply, was often thought of as part of the alternative to mainstream pop (but also sometimes had mainstream pop success) was and is still not reggae and nor was reggae understood to be rock, by any normal standards. The standard you apply to make reggae into rock is to say they were both alternatives to mainstream pop and therefore both rock. [b]I agree with the 'alternatives to mainstream pop' point but that does not make reggae become subsumed into and reduced to rock.[/b] Anyway, let's have some music ... here's Steel Pulse: [media]http://youtu.be/7XXpQFyP7RA[/media] And here's The Congos: [media]http://youtu.be/dMHb62VqtN4[/media]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1454025179' post='2965682'] Not rock,but contains elements of blues. Blue [/quote] Good, so you agree ... not rock.

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[quote name='tauzero' timestamp='1453998830' post='2965203'] A quick bit of research with the D'Adarrio tension chart shows 6-strings with a .010 top E are about 18 whatevers tension per string while 4-strings .040-.100 average just under 40 whatevers per string so even girlie 4-stringers are about 1.5 times as much total tension while proper manly 5-stringers are almost double. Any more than 5 strings on a bass is pure narcissism so you can do your own arithmetic. [/quote] Yes, I checked there too. Correct.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1454005194' post='2965349'] Albert came after Peter and Bunny, however he has worked with both. Albert joined the band in 1974, That's Alberts blues based guitar solo on "No Woman No Cry" Albert is still touring and is the band leader for The Original Wailers. There are 2 Original Wailers bands. The other Original Wailers is run by Aston. Blue [/quote] Yes, we know the history of the band but it's still not rock. Using a blues based scale does not make something rock.

In 1999, Casady still manages to drive this one along too ... http://youtu.be/tRv2BqMPJsA

[quote name='gary mac' timestamp='1453968801' post='2964683'] It can be difficult. If I look at ads put up by players of my sort of vintage (50's) they almost always seem to be blues, classic rock or very middle of the road, none of which interest me. [/quote] 64 and I've had same issue. I'm really not that interested in rock music and nothing will make me play classic rock covers. So I tend to play in bands that are at least a little bit away from that, especially if I can push the band slightly down a more folk, or ska, or reggae, soul, funky direction, and be a bit more discerning about material and arrangements. I also find it annoying when it's drums, bass, and guitars and that's it. There needs to be at least one other instrument.

This one's because I very much like it. Plus it's the one cover played by the 11-piece gypsy dub band my son plays with. They would be surprised to learn they were playing a rock cover. [media]http://youtu.be/XcMNfX5yh28[/media]

Or even roots rock reggae ......... ........ But imagine this conversation: 'Hello, what sort of music do you like?' 'I like rock.' 'So, you like reggae (and all the other genres) then because they are all rock, innit?' 'Er, no, I just like rock.' ... (or possibly 'Well I like some reggae too but mostly I like rock, as I said. Have you been smoking too much weed?')

[quote name='Tonteee' timestamp='1453980264' post='2964836'] Oh, hang on, maybe after all it is rock... steady? [/quote] Or lover's rock?

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1453940748' post='2964611'] Here's an example, reggae music didn't become popular with t he western kids until Bob Marley hired Al Anderson , American born blues rock guitarist. When Al played down blues riffs on top of reggae it worked like a charm. Blue [/quote] I doubt that's even true in the USA but for the UK it is total nonsense. And either way, reggae and other Jamaican genres are not 'rock'. In the UK, of course, Jamaican migrants were busy listening to Jamaican music and at the same time became a source for some white people who were listening to Jamaican music from 1964/65 (blue beat and ska had a massive mod and skinhead following, Prince Buster and later Desmond Dekkar, Max Romeo etc. - where I came from you were nobody if you didn't have a nice collection of Trojan label singles and better still if you'd laid hands on some real Jamaican releases). Jamaican music is a very important part of 1960s UK youth culture and it is seen by many as in total opposition to rock. Skinhead versus hippy. When [i]007[/i] and [i]Whiter Shade of Pale [/i]were both in the charts few people were buying both. I remember buying [i]007[/i] and dancing around the living room with it on my Dansette while my mother is asking 'why didn't you buy that one with the nice tune?'. Marley arrives on the scene at the end of that 1960s period specifically when the band was still called The Wailers and Peter Tosh and Bunny Livingston were involved. No Al Anderson. No 'Bob Marley and'. Not rock - 1964: [media]http://youtu.be/D3DAHAPLaVI[/media] Not rock - 1967: [media]http://youtu.be/zJL6D0Rph_I[/media] Not rock - 1968: [media]http://youtu.be/2Cgo2n3Xuvc[/media] Not rock - 1968: [media]http://youtu.be/0wH395THtXQ[/media] Not rock - song written 1967, this recording 1973: [media]http://youtu.be/JE3WaSETf8k[/media] Still not rock - 1974: [media]http://youtu.be/x2FKTSEW_9M[/media]

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1453938737' post='2964581'] When I was saying 'rock music' I was meaning in its most encompassing definition, including blues, soul, reggae, etc - album orientated popular music of the time really. [/quote] [quote name='blue' timestamp='1453938864' post='2964586'] Agreed Blue [/quote] That's nonsense.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1453938737' post='2964581'] When I was saying 'rock music' I was meaning in its most encompassing definition, including blues, soul, reggae, etc - album orientated popular music of the time really. [/quote] So, 'rock music' does not mean rock music at all then. That's totally confused and bizarre.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1453932803' post='2964490'] ... rock music ... just doesn't have the stranglehold of popular (youth) culture that it did when I was a teenager ... [/quote] I understand what you're saying there and I don't of course dispute if it was like that for you but I have to say I never when I was a teenager/twenties in the 60s and 70s did it feel like only rock mattered. Rock was one thing but I was always also into blues, country, soul, ska, reggae, folk, jazz, ... just music really. And there was always plenty of rock I really did not like and still don't.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1453929715' post='2964432'] I'm not moaning about it. Merely stating a fact. By the way our band leader, lead guitar and front person is 29 year old female. Also no one in our band is old. Blue [/quote] She's a 20 something who likes rock? Shocking. You'll be old in someone's eyes. I certainly am.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1453928702' post='2964416'] We still attract and have a loyal following of the 60+ demographic. When the 20 somethings wonder into one of our shows they leave immediately. [/quote] It sounds to me that they leave 'cos you are a bunch of old gits. They are looking for young people to shag later on. It's not the music, it's you. [quote name='blue' timestamp='1453928702' post='2964416'] That's fine, we're lucky, we don't need their business. [/quote] So why do you keep moaning about them leaving?

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1453928116' post='2964408'] I'm not going to seek the advice of a 21 year old on the future of rock and roll being played live in clubs. [/quote] Blue, if you'd been in charge in the late 1950s and had the same attitude to 21 year olds as you do now, then Rock and Roll would never have got started. We'd still be listening to Perry Como. [quote name='blue' timestamp='1453928116' post='2964408'] I'm not sure rock and roll is even relevant to most 21 year olds. [/quote] Lots of young people are into rock, classic and otherwise. Maybe it's different in your world but that's how it is in the UK. However, the thing is, young people are not only into rock they are into all sorts of music. They are, in my experience, very open-minded about music.