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[quote name='40hz' timestamp='1450362660' post='2932053'] ... Level 42 are what I'd call a 'bass players' band ... [/quote] Perhaps that's why it hurts me to listen to them.

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1450358985' post='2931997'] ... I just can't listen to slap ... [/quote] That's it.

McCartney

[quote name='grumpyguts' timestamp='1450359643' post='2932009'] Guitarists it seems can get away with a bit of slop. Bass players can't, timing and note length are critical to getting a tight sound - if that is what you are after. So that makes Bass a more exact science than flapping around playing chords. Am I wrong? [/quote] I have on more than one occasion got away with a bit of slop on bass in a live situation. Despite that I wouldn't want to play with a guitarist whose chords flapped. I'd say 'learn all your inversions and play them crisply'.

[quote name='lowdown' timestamp='1450347929' post='2931819'] Beautiful. I presume that stunning arrangement is Mr Riddle? [/quote] No, not Nelson Riddle but Ralph Carmichael I believe. [size=4]July 6th, 1960 (Session #9532; 14:00-18:00) Capitol Recording Studio, 1750 N. Vine Street, Hollywood California [i]Nat Cole (vocal), Ralph Carmichael (arranger / conductor), John Collins (guitar), Lloyd Lunham (bass), Lee Young (drums), Dale L. Anderson (percussion), Ralph S. Hansell (percussion), Milton W. Raskin (piano), Lloyd W. Hildebrand (reeds), Jules Jacob (reeds), Harry G Klee (reeds), Arthur Smith (reeds), James Thomas 'Jim' Henderson (trombone), Thomas M Shepard (trombone), Lloyd Ulyate (trombone), Ray S. Linn (trumpet), Joseph 'Joe' Triscari (trumpet), George Werth (trumpet), Bob Stone (arco bass), Armand Kaproff (cello), Edgar 'Ed' Lustgarten (cello), Emmett Sargeant (cello), Joseph Saxon (cello), Kathryn M. Thompson (harp), Allan Harshman (viola), Louis 'Lou' Kievman (viola), G.R. 'Ray' Menhennick (viola), Milton 'Mill' Thomas (viola), Victor Arno (violin), Israel Baker (violin), Emil F. Briano (violin), James Gelzoff (violin), Nate Kaproff (violin), Joseph 'Joe' Livoti (violin), Emanuel Moss (violin), Alexander 'Alex' Murray (violin), Erna Neufeld (violin), Isadore Roman (violin), Ralph Schaeffer (violin), Joseph Stepansky (violin), Gerald 'Jerry' Vinci (violin), Unidentified (vocal chorus)[/i][/size] [size=4][color=black][font=Symbol]· [/font][/color](34133) Joy To The World[/size] [size=4][color=black][font=Symbol]· [/font][/color](34134) Deck The Halls[/size] [size=4][color=black][font=Symbol]· [/font][/color](34135) Hark The Herald Angels Sing[/size] [size=4][color=black][font=Symbol]· [/font][/color](34136-5) Adeste Fideles (O Come All Ye Faithful)[/size] [size=4][color=black][font=Symbol]· [/font][/color](34141) Adeste Fideles (O Come All Ye Faithful)[/size] [size=4][color=black][font=Symbol]· [/font][/color](34142) O Tannenbaum[/size]

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1450368077' post='2932113'] Unless you've knocked your tuner off 440 hertz [/quote] I have known that problem.

[quote name='borntohang' timestamp='1450367876' post='2932109'] If you're going to insist on saying sensible, measured things like this then I'm afraid I'll have to report you to the admin for conduct unbecoming to a musicians forum. Please try to be less reasonable in the future, thanks. [/quote] Sorry, but sometimes I can't help myself.

Any note however bad, on any instrument, is never more than one semi-tone away from a good note.

Music really isn't a competition between the bassist and the guitarist, or any other instrument. If it is then you are in the wrong band.

http://youtu.be/AdpicC_6y4s

[quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1450273658' post='2931231'] Surely it's worse in four- or five-pieces bands as you've got to deal with two of the buggers! [/quote] Son of ET plays guitar in an eleven-piece band. He is the only guitarist. No problem.

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1450270363' post='2931191'] I dunno I beg to differ... I have a preferred sound for my bass, which I adjust slightly depending on the other instruments I'm playing with. I have, on occassion been asked to change from a tone I think works to one a guitarist wants me to have so he cuts through on top of everything making the band sound worse as a whole. I'd prefer to stand my ground than relent and end up with the band sounding crap. I also take this approach with the bass lines I write... I will listen to suggestions but at the end of the day it's my choice what I play. If others don't like it then we can go our seperate ways and they can just find someone who does what they want [/quote] I take your point but I still want someone who will work with and for the sound of the band and not merely fall back on it's 'my tone'. And if that's not happening then we can go our separate ways and they can just find a band that likes 'my tone'.

Don't do it. If you must then don't loosen the strings and get some silica gel packets.

Anyone, bassist included, who talks about 'my tone' in that way ... bye bye

[quote name='Yawn_Blah' timestamp='1450239376' post='2930846'] Pre CBS vs MIM! [/quote] CBS took over in 1965. Flats were factory fitted at least until 1976. Anyway, are you suggesting MIM are not up to standard?

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1450217257' post='2930729'] Point 1. You said most people knew the Yorkshire Ripper. No one knew the Yorkshire Ripper. If they did, it was most likely he would have been caught earlier if more people knew who he was in the 70`s.? Maybe they knew the name, but no one knew the person, so they could not have possibly have known in the 70`s [/quote] I did not say 'most people' I said 'more people'. The Yorkshire Ripper was the epithet given to the person who was indeed later identified as Peter Sutcliffe. In 1979 when Vicious died more people were aware of the existence of the Yorkshire Ripper, than of Vicious, whether or not they knew the Yorkshire Ripper's true name - that was my claim. Were the police sat around saying 'we don't know his name yet or who he is so therefore the Yorkshire Ripper, so-called, doesn't exist'? Even if I were to be wrong about that, it would remain the case that it was not true that 'most people' knew or knew of Vicious. [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1450217257' post='2930729'] Point 2. I mentioned 1981 as you said that most people knew the Yorkshire Ripper, which they could not have as he was not unmasked until 1981, so as you mentioned the Bee Gee`s at the same time, which was 1981, and they were on the wane. [/quote] 1981 is irrelevant. Vicious died in 1979. [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1450217257' post='2930729'] Point 3 is irrelevant. Just because people loved the Bee Gee`s does not mean that they knew nothing of The Sex Pistols or Sid Vicious. Lots of kids read Smash Hits, and the Sex Pistols were constantly on the news for 2 years. Sid Vicious and Jonny Rotten were probably more well known by name than any of the Bee Gees. [/quote] I have not claimed that people 'knew nothing' of The Sex Pistols or Vicious; my claim was clearly and straightforwardly that The Bee Gees were better known. Of course, 'lots of kids' did read [i]Smash Hits[/i] but 'lots of kids' is nowhere near to 'most people'. I haven't been able to ascertain the size of the readership of [i]Smash Hits[/i] in 1979 but I'm pretty confident it's fewer than 'most people'. [quote name='timmo' timestamp='1450217257' post='2930729'] Point 4. I still maintain that by the end of 1979 more than 51% of the UK knew who Sid Vicious was, which would be most people I still maintain that more people would identify Sid Vicious today , or even in 1979 than Maurice Gibb even after 20 million sales. I still say that a large proportion of basschatters know of Sid Vicious [/quote] 51% of the UK population is 'most people' - there you are correct - and I expect a large proportion of Basschat regulars who do not constitute 'most people' might well know of Vicious. But 51% of the UK population? That would be pushing it even for McCartney. My claim about Maurice Gibb was, in fact, that 'most people' would not be able to identify him as The Bee Gees bassist. But actually I doubt that 'most people' could identify him at all. It's past my bedtime now.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1450213352' post='2930683'] So few people outside his area knew who Peter Suttcliffe was until 1981 and Sid Vicious had been on the news for a good 2 years. So to say more people at the time knew who he was in the 70's is not really true.As millions watched the news as there weren't mamy channels, and the newspaper circulation was huge, I would imagine you would be living under a rock not too have heard of him. Especially if you were a music fan, which most of us on here are, which is really why I said most people.The Bee Gees best years were probably on the wane by 1981 so not too sure how many people were listening to them then when Peter Suttcliffe was charged. I maintain that if you showed a photo of Sid Vicious and Maurice Gibb, more people would indentify or at least recognise Sid Vicious. [/quote] I made no mention of Peter Sutcliffe, so his charge in 1981 is irrelevant. I also made no mention of 1981. The Yorkshire murders dated back throughout the 1970s and were reported outside of Yorkshire. I knew about them living in the midlands. Anyway, Yorkshire is a big place.and there are lots of people there. The murders were commonly known as the Yorkshire Ripper murders by 1979. The Bee Gees in 1981 are of no relevance to The Bee Gees in the late 1970s. Why on earth have you mentioned that year? In 1976 the soundtrack to [i]Saturday Night Fever[/i] had sold 2 million copies in the UK alone. In 1979 The Bee Gees had their Biggest selling album for fifteen years - [i]Spirits Having Flown[/i] - selling 20 million copies worldwide and the single from that album [i]Tragedy[/i] was number 1 and also a multi-million seller. Vicious died 2nd Feb 1979; one week later The Bee Gees entered the chart at number 7 and went to number 1 two weeks later. The Bee Gees were not on the wane. Even so, I expect only a minority could have recognised a Bee Gee and even fewer would have known that Maurice was the bassist. I still say the claim that 'most people' knew Vicious is highly improbable. And the audience of Basschat is certainly not most people. It's not even a representative sample of bassists.

[quote name='timmo' timestamp='1449831011' post='2927238'] He was one of the most iconic figures in music at the time. Maybe not gifted bass wise, but most people knew who he was in the late 70's [/quote] Most people? You really think most of the population in the late 1970s were interested in punk, pistols, and a punk bass player? More people knew the Yorkshire Ripper and were listening to The Bee Gees. But I bet very few knew that Maurice Gibb was their bassist.

[quote name='Yawn_Blah' timestamp='1450094050' post='2929455'] ... will my bass get harmed during time with the heavy strings on it? ... [/quote] If heavy gauge flatwounds harm the bass when the trussrod is set correctly then there was something wrong with the bass. Heavy gauge flatwounds was the factory fitted standard on most basses - including Fender basses right up to the mid 1970s.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1450128735' post='2929937'] No, I'm convinced the JP haters are confusing "don't like" with "don't understand" Blue [/quote] The only post in this thread that uses the word 'hate' is #156: [quote name='BenTunnicliffe' timestamp='1449620619' post='2925366'] ... I hate the Beatles ... [/quote]

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1450129798' post='2929951'] And let me assure my position remains. I also think there is an age and generation distance element to this debate. Blue [/quote] So what is your age criterion?

[quote name='stevebasshead' timestamp='1450123457' post='2929870'] Oh god yes! I still can't look at Carol Vordemman without remembering one of his more slanderous posts [/quote] Do you look at her often?

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1450122999' post='2929862'] Most of my favourite guitar sounds come from humbuckers. But then I like jazz and fusion, so I'm probably a hopeless case For me, guitars don't get much better sounding (or looking) than something like this: [/quote] Lovely.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1450120275' post='2929822'] Was Jimmy Blanton all that [i]what[/i]..? Please complete your sentences..! [/quote] Actually, having considered the matter carefully, it must be 'Was Jimmy Blanton Really All That Jazz?'