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I specified dark rosewood :-)

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1441278988' post='2857443'] Like Bergantino, Mesa tightly manage their RRP in all countries, ie discounts have to be run by them first. I can't see Westside having any say in that. The final price is made up of many components some of which are not under Mesa's control. As no one here knows any of the details involved in the manufacture, distribution and tax and regulation regimes involved, comparing prices around the world is a wast of time. If this thing sounds good then you decide if it's worth it or not. [/quote] To be fair, we can compare manufacturers based in the same country who export similar products. Mesa always seem to slap a massive premium on for export sales. Maybe they use gold-plated shipping containers.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1441271876' post='2857348'] Don't get me started on the fact we barely ever see any kind of discount code/offer, which in the U.S. is a normal way of buying music gear. [/quote] As far as I'm aware, Mesa never allow discounts.

[quote name='eude' timestamp='1441267226' post='2857309'] [b]I disagree! [/b] It's $699 in the US! By today's exchange rate, the amp costs the equivalent of $1127.99 here in the UK, that's $428.99 in tax and shipping. For that, I'd expect it to be hand delivered in a solid gold box by two playboy bunnies! Eude [/quote] Actually, looking at it that way.. same old Mesa.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1441237800' post='2857236'] [url="http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/mesa-unveils-subway-bass-amp-and-cabinets-627175"]http://www.musicrada...cabinets-627175[/url] Reasonable pricing for once! [/quote] Yeah... I'm surprised at that. It's about time..!

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1441202065' post='2856888'] So i'll be going for a Jake. If you look at the old Fender Shoreline Gold colour, it tends to be a more greeny gold (possibly because of the aged lacquer), whereas the Maru shoreline gold is more orange. With this in mind, when I do the squinty eye/tilt head test, I can't really imagine a mint green/parchment/vintage white scratch plate going with the Maru gold. As such, like Eude, I am leaning towards a black scrratchplate. Now, I was also leaning towards a Pau Ferro fingerboard, but I wondered whether Ebony would be a nicer match to the rest of the ensemble?! I'm also not thinking about the JJ arrangement for the bridge pickup over the single J....hmmmmmmmm Si [/quote] FWIW, when I was sorting my order with Adrian, he sent me a few examples of 3TSBs they'd done previously. I was able to point out one that nailed the 70s 3TSB I prefer. I'm guessing the option would be there to be pretty specific about the exact shade of Shoreline, too..? Sounds like it's going to be a beaut. I'm actually thinking about going for another in the future. Maybe shoreline, charcoal or LPB... yum.

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1441192489' post='2856763'] I think people are misinterpreting my use of Gangnam Style as an example. I'm not saying that it's influential, I'm just using it as an example of how a sensation (of any time) can spread to a sizeable proportion of the Earth's population in very little time. Such that should something come along that could mimic The Beatles success and influence, there is a platform by which they can reach huge numbers of people quickly. [/quote] I still don't think something spreading via social media over a day or two in this intensively colourful world could have anything near the effect of The Beatles exploding out of pretty much everyone's TV sets in a relatively dour, black and white world.

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1441190635' post='2856736'] Days is still pretty quick. After all, The Beatles took years to conquer the world. While the Ed Sullivan show was crucial to their popularity in the US, there's more to the world than the US. And I'm not saying that Gangnam Style was as influential as a Beatles song, just showing that there is still the possibility of a sudden sensation taking over the world. [/quote] Sensations take over the world all the time. None approach the gargantuan culture shift of the Beatles, though.

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1441190129' post='2856728'] Is that necessary? Clearly it won't be the same if not everyone is watching at the same time, but there is still the opportunity, given the reach, for a Beatles sized seismic shift to occur within days. [/quote] Days. With the Beatles, [i]millions[/i] were talking about it the next day. And also, it wasn't bubblegum wallpaper like Gangnam Style - it was something people had opinions about, one way or the other.

[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1441189627' post='2856719'] Why does it have to be through television? How many views did Gangnam Style get on youtube? A billion? (checks) well over two billion. Two girls one cup has probably been viewed well over 73 million times. [/quote] Because you're unlikely to get most of the population watching a single YouTube clip for the first time simultaneously.

[quote name='the boy' timestamp='1441178975' post='2856603'] What about when 'Ugg' happened upon that hollowed out fallen tree and started to beat it in anger with his club after he was jilted by 'Dawn'. [/quote] Ugg didn't change the world overnight. The Beatles did. I think the point Blue is trying to make - and I agree with him, even though I didn't experience it first hand - is more about the intensity of the change.

Silly me... I tightened the jack socket by hand when I was in a hurry, and the whole jack spun and pulled a wire off in the cavity. What a cloon. Anyway, here's a couple of pics of the cavity, while I was in there. Tidy, eh?

Hmm... the more I look at this, the more I wish they'd do a version with a WA power section. Lots of nice features. And it looks great.

Hmm... this could be interesting. It'll be a shame if it's got the usual common-or-garden car stereo power amp in it.

[quote name='mal2404' timestamp='1440887795' post='2854615'] Gorgeous looking and sounding bass. Funny I have just put up a post looking for some insights into any comparisons between the very same Lakland Skyline and these basses. If you have any that would be great As a matter of interest what neck radius and string spacings did you go for in the end? Thanks Graham [/quote] He copied the neck of my favourite '71P: 42mm nut, 22mm thickness front-to-back at the 1st fret. I didn't specify the string spacing or the radius... it just came out spot-on.

I have very little experience with the Sandbergs or Lakland Skylines so I can't compare in any useful detail, but I've lived with my Maruszczyk Jake for a good while now, and I just can't fault it, and that's without taking into account how little it cost. It's absolutely top-spec.

[quote name='EssentialTension' timestamp='1440770699' post='2853720'] Of course, I expect even some younger people (fewer years than 59) know that it was not single-handed, nonetheless The Beatles were the centre of a 'perfect storm' (as someone called it earlier - Water of Tyne, I think). [/quote] Jinxies!

[quote name='rushbo' timestamp='1440769572' post='2853709'] [font=Calibri][size=3][color=#000000]There is some truth in the observation that most popular Music owes a debt to The Beatles. What we often overlook is that they were just one of many bands working in a similar musical area in the UK at the time. With Rock and Roll being pretty much dead in the US in the early sixties, bands in Britain responded to the fading echo of that music and made it their own. Often by playing it slightly wrong on inferior (or homemade) instruments. We also had Skiffle, which tends to be forgotten, but that had a massive influence on late 50’s youth over here and put guitars in the hands of thousands of would-be Lonnie Donegan’s. If The Beatles hadn’t made it, who’s to say that The Animals, the Kinks, the Yardbirds or The Rolling Stones would have become the defining band of that era? [/color][/size][/font] [font=Calibri][size=3][color=#000000]Because of the speed that Pop Culture moves at, it is pointless to insist to a guy in a Death Metal band that he owes everything to George Harrison. He will counter that he gets his style from Synyster Gates, who got it from Dimebag Darrell, who got it from Eddie Van Halen, who got it from Jimmy Page who got some of it from Harrison, but a lot of it from Lonnie Donegan and James Burton. [/color][/size][/font] [font=Calibri][size=3][color=#000000]50 years is a long time in Pop. The Beatles were a massive influence, but that has dissipated somewhat – it permeates most western Pop, but with every passing year and every new sub-sub genre, the degrees of separation increase. To say that “you don’t get it because you weren’t there” smacks of arrogance. I wasn’t around for when Leo Fender and Les Paul created their prototype electric guitars, but I know how important their work was. I sympathise with OP as I’m a massive Beatles fan (I’ve been to conventions and everything…) but 2015 is different planet to 1963. [/color][/size][/font] [/quote] Lonnie's influence can't be understated. But re: your point about another band filling the void if The Beatles hadn't made it... of course. But it's incredibly unlikely anyone would have made a crater as big as The Beatles. I'm going to say it again - the Beatles phenomenon was the result of a perfect storm, unlikely to be repeated.

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1440706247' post='2853207'] I you weren't there it would be very difficult to be a fan. Blue [/quote] Is this what you meant to say...?

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1440672208' post='2852815'] There were very few bands that I listened to, when first getting serious about music, that took much, if anything, from the Beatles. In my formative years I started by listening to 50's rock'n'roll and stuff Teddy boys would have listened to. From that I went to blues and r&b and from there to punk. [/quote] Punk? Snappy, high-energy songs played at breakneck pace in packed, grubby venues by amphetamine-fuelled kids. That sounds strangely familiar :-)

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1440517594' post='2851474'] Initially, but then it was shipments of American music post-war to those GIs where McCartney said he first got to hear the likes of Arthur Alexander. It was the GIs who spread Jazz, Blues and RnB, bringing Black music to white audiences which opened the door to the Beatles with their new take on this sound. OK, it may not have been so instant but it may well have been equally, or even more significant. [/quote] Of course, but those TV appearances put the whole of a nation in a room together, across generations. That's a huge event, and part of why it had such a profound effect on so many people. Nothing else like it.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1440515205' post='2851435'] Funny, was thinking about this thread last night whilst reading a few pages of Andrew Marr's A History of Britain in the 20th Century. There could be an argument for the GIs landing in the UK bringing about a larger cultural change than anything that has come since. [/quote] Initially localised around the bases. The Beatles got off the plane and within hours had played to pretty much the whole population.

I only have video archives, anecdotes, books and the music to base it on, but I really can't think of a culture shock comparable to the Beatles getting off that plane in 1963. I don't think anything comes close.

There were some terrible 'bursts around that time (assuming it's original).

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