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[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1437383523' post='2825386'] That's not quite what I was referring to in the (admittedly weak...) analogy. The basic point is that, if and while work is being done, then the work should be paid, no quibbles. Once it's done, though, it's done, and shouldn't generate revenue simply for the fact of being 'wanted'. I was comparing the listening to a song to someone coming to look at (not own, nor take away; just to look at...) a painting I'd acquired. The original artist is not paid 'per look', and doesn't get to know whether his work generates a lot of lookers or not. His work is finished, and has been paid for. [/quote] Paid for by one person (who possibly commissioned it), who then owns it. What's the parallel with an artist investing their own time & money into creating an album? I honestly don't subscribe to this 'music is worth nothing' school of thought. It brings pleasure. Someone paid to make it. They should be rewarded.

[quote name='JapanAxe' timestamp='1437325548' post='2825095'] Great performance! 'Unbelievable' - in what way!? [/quote] One word: Trilogy. A mainstay of these festivals, and example of which is below. The first time I saw one of these, I couldn't stand up for laughing. It didn't go down well with the regulars. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3KyZpbKn-8

Here's us at a country festival a few years back. Note the hats in the audience. This is nothing compared to the country festival we did at Skeggy around the time. Just.. unbelievable. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feSBUWJLBbk

I doubt you'd tell unless you could A\B them in a real-life scenario with a drummer. But then, I think it's either something you pick up on, or it passes you by.

Unfortunately, in the UK the country scene also means line dancing, people dressing up as Injuns, and carrying toy guns. It's a shame.

I think more and more people are starting to realise that the modules used in the current crop of lightweight heads are lacking. I won't be going back until something new is available.

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/264835-current-class-ab-amps

[quote name='cameltoe' timestamp='1437154101' post='2824110'] Visit the bravewood site and look at the lightly reliced stuff. It's amazing. He doesn't always go to town on them! [/quote] Oh, aye - they're much better than what I had in mind. They're a fair chunk of change more than the Limelight, but I suppose you get to spec more...

This is like one of Ashdown's hare-brained schemes...

I have no hands-on experience of the Bravewoods, but I've never been keen on be relic'ing. I much prefer the look of the lightly-relic'ing Limelights, and the J I owned was a stunner. Yes, you're more limited for options - that's why I went down the Maruszczyk route. (Incidentally, they also do relic'ing).

[quote name='Lw.' timestamp='1437043196' post='2823009'] Though saying all that (now going slightly off topic), what I think is being missed is that recorded music sales is not the future earnings for musicians - those times are long gone. The money should be coming from performance & artist partnerships - in an age where everything is available instantly & often free a bigger premium should be being put on the magic of being in the room when music is being created, space is limited so cost can go up - recorded music is really just a marketing tool to get people interested. [/quote] This is quite true, but it's a shame for those musicians who aren't - for whatever reason - creatures of the road. Especially in the current climate of dwindling live audiences.

He's been self-destructing for years. The band look as embarrassed as you'd expect. Poor buggers.

[quote name='72deluxe' timestamp='1436779165' post='2820558'] we have a great drummer [/quote] Sorry to be harsh, but... you don't. It's a situation I'm familiar with. Once a drummer's hearing goes, it's a slippery slope.

[quote name='Chiliwailer' timestamp='1436723048' post='2820233'] It was their light weight that drew me to them, however I'm now smitten by their general vibe, they are the amazing Fenders that Fender never made. Perhaps the same for Thunderbirds too? Plus he has some great other models in the range. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of a good Fender Custom Shop, but my Lull's are just so different yet based on a Fender. [/quote] Yep - same experience for me with the Maruszczyk. Fender are flying on reputation alone at the minute.

Check out [url="http://www.public-peace.de/index.php/maruszczyk-instruments"]Maruzsczyk[/url]. They'll build to your spec, and some of the fretlesses they've been coming out with look stunning, and they're very reasonably priced. Look at this Jake..!

[quote name='BassBus' timestamp='1436638481' post='2819724'] loved that. The drummer is in the wrong band though. He should have been in this one. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DVbt5W-DNc[/media] [/quote] LOL Teh drumer at teh RONG GIG!! LOL

[quote name='AndyTravis' timestamp='1436655269' post='2819851'] There was an interview that Chad Smith did with Ginger, I won't link it - it's frightfully cringeworthy. He came across as a total arse. I read a few pages of his book, he came across as a total arse. I won't watch the film. [/quote] It's worth watching, despite the subject matter. It's an incredibly well-made film.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1436521607' post='2818793'] Ringo is another under rated drummer. He changed the way most drummers played and performed but he wasn't the "force of nature" that Baker was and others became. You can list as many great drummers as you like. You're only disagreeing with [i]my [/i]definition, not what Ginger Baker was or the influence he had on rock drummers. Before Baker there weren't any "rock" drummers. After Ginger Baker . . . . . you can't count them. [/quote] That's a fair point. I can imagine the impact he had drummers at the time - it must have looked like he'd dropped in from Mars. But it doesn't make him any good (in my opinion). He's always going on about he well he swings... I haven't heard it yet. I'd like to have heard Buddy Rich adapt to playing with Cream. That would have been worth seeing.

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1436519472' post='2818743'] In his prime Baker was a great drummer. The trouble is he hasn't been in a band that could use his skills since Cream split and that's a very long time to be fed up, frustrated and broke! Add a lack of social skills and this is what you get. Cream totally changed what was possible with 3 musicians and, along with Jeff Beck opened the door to what would become Rock. Ginger Baker forged a new path in rock drumming. Don't look at him now look at him back then and judge his playing against the drummers that were "tip tapping" their way politely around their kits. He blew most of them into the weeds. [/quote] Ringo didn't tip-tap politely around his kit...

Dreadful man, dreadful drummer (IMO), great film.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1436452121' post='2818263'] No, at least that wasn't my intention. But we have always had a way of discovering new music. At the turn of the 20th century it was pianists popularising songs that pushed the sales of sheet music, in fact there were charts as such way back then, just reflecting sales of music, not recordings. Then we got the dance bands playing the hotels and dance halls, eventually moving on to radio. All of these things promoted the sale of music, and I just hope that streaming will eventually develop a model that will help artists develop a fan base who will support them, just as other techniques have done in the past. [/quote] Absolutely. But the wandering troubadour got money for his sheet music. Dance bands got paid to play (usually popular covers). Getting heard is one thing.. getting paid for it is a different kettle'o'fish.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1436447304' post='2818216'] I don't know if we're trying to put too much value on streaming, should it not be viewed as a new way of discovering artists that you then go on to support financially via gigs, merchandise, or, at arms length, by giving them the popularity so they can sell branding rights etc? [/quote] This sounds suspiciously like the age-old '...but you'll get great exposure!' justification when asked to do gigs for nothing.

[quote name='Weststarx' timestamp='1436443034' post='2818165'] There has to be something in it for the artists because otherwise they would not bother being on there. [/quote] Because it's 'the done thing'. But it appears opinions are changing.