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[quote name='ubit' timestamp='1413965445' post='2584019'] You quoted me but clearly didn't read my post. My girlfriends brother gets MANY really high end gigs just because people know he is amazing. He has turned down the chance to be a pro on so many occasions. He just likes his family life too much to make the leap. He is well known in the right circles and people never ask him, can you read music? He can get a tune out of any stringed instrument with absolutely no formal training whatsoever. So, I reiterate, if you are good enough, you don't need to read music! [/quote] I think you quoted peteb but didn't read his post, either. He seems to be broadly agreeing with you...

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1413908800' post='2583483'] OK, I'll rephrase it, if you're in any way shape or form, half serious about playing for a living, then you need both [/quote] OK, add 'as a session musician' in there and we have a deal :-)

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1413908109' post='2583468'] Neither did I.....but I get them because I can do both. [/quote]

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1413907588' post='2583455'] But you'll never get offered those gigs if you can't do both. [/quote] But I don't want to do theatre or cruise ship work. Therefore I don't need both.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1413907018' post='2583445'] You need both, simple as that. [/quote] You don't 'need' both unless you're likely to do a gig where it's essential that you read.

It's all I do...

Seems legit.

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1413829991' post='2582520'] that does look good price wise.... anyone know who makes the drivers TKS use? [/quote] Eminence.

[quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1413827623' post='2582474'] I can honestly say that in 50 years of gigging no one has ever commented on the look of my cabs and I've owned quite a few in that time. [/quote] In 20 years of gigging, it hasn't really happened to me before, so it surprised me, too. It's a nice thing to hear.

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1413820456' post='2582341'] And can move as much air as two S112s, going by both makers published specs. Whether you like 'em or not, people do buy them for a reason other than fanboi-ism or forum hype. [/quote] Yep - tonal preference aside, a BF cab will undoubtedly go louder than the equivalent TKS (and I'm guessing Berg).

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1413818348' post='2582289'] Barefaced [i]fanbois [/i]are [u][b]SO [/b][/u]last year. 2014 is the year of the TKS [i]fanboi [/i](or whatever is the Swedish for [i]fanboi[/i]). Do try to keep up. [/quote] Guilty as charged :-)

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1413816820' post='2582247'] I didn't realise how much cheaper the TKS cabs were. I had to go back and make sure I'd done the conversion right. [/quote] Less than £40 to ship a big cab, too. From Sweden. Where a pint of beer costs a million quid.* [size=2]*Ok, so I do make stuff up sometimes.[/size]

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1413814295' post='2582207'] Really? I mean, [i][b]really[/b][/i]? You actually get people come up to you after (or maybe during) gigs and say: "[color=#ff0000][i]Wow! Your bass cab looks mighty sexy boy![/i][/color]" You've been gigging a lot longer than I have, Michael, and at a noticeably higher level, but I'm still amazed to read that. How often does it happen? [/quote] Yip - I don't make stuff up for the fun of it, believe me. I've done deps with three or four different bands recently, and at every one, at least one member of the band has said something along the lines of 'whoah, that's nice' etc., etc. And a bloke came up to me after one gig and said how nice he thought it looked. He may have been a muso, I dunno. And do you know why I think this has happened? Black box syndrome. It's been a scourge in bass-land for years now. Guitarists get lovely boutique amps, drummers get cool-looking kits... bass players get black boxes. Well, sod that.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1413813531' post='2582192'] Once again I fail to understand the vitriol aimed at Barefaced products! [/quote] I'm really not seeing any 'bitter criticism or malice'. It's been suggested a couple of times in the thread that Barefaced were in a field of their own weight-wise and tonally. I just see people politely pointing out that that's not necessarily true.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1413812651' post='2582178'] A good friend of mine is of the same opinion, he changed the rear tyre on his Harley for a different brand long before it was worn simply because the other one looked better. To me, the cab is simply a tool, it's just a black box that sits at the back of the stage and makes me sound better than I am. [/quote] Mine is a lovingly-crafted statue of cool that makes my heart flutter whenever I look at it or hear it, and also draws comments on looks and sound. We're both happy with what we have. It's all good!

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1413811869' post='2582161'] Leave the price tag on? Seriously, does it need to look like it cost 800 quid to impress people, or to help you in justifying the outlay to yourself? I'm not having a go, but I never even considered the appearance of my Super Twin when I bought it (and still don't). Sound, weight and being able to fit in the boot of my Astra with the amp next to it were and are the only considerations for me. [/quote] And you are to be applauded. I like stuff to look pretty - it's in my nature. It also shows that the builder takes pride in it, too.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1413808574' post='2582101'] Are people really this concerned about the appearance of a speaker cabinet? It is a piece of equipment that in use will be hidden in the dark behind the player where no one in the audience is likely to notice it. [/quote] For an 800 quid cab? I'd want it to look like it cost 800 quid, for a start.

[quote name='Toasted' timestamp='1413803001' post='2581991'] Barefaced Big Twin - 22.5kg Bergantino CN212 - 20.8kg TKS S212 - 21kg Barefaced Super Compact - 11kg Bergantino CN112 - 12.7kg TKS S112 - 10kg Further: I seem to remember from an old thread some discrepancy between "real world" and "advertised weight" on Barefaced products, but the memory fades. Maybe I'm not right. [/quote] Yup. We all know about Berg's build quality. And the TKS's aren't even neo. Don't get me wrong, I like the BF stuff. The Vintage I used a few times sounded glorious. But they're not the only lightweight boutique cabs out there. They do have great marketing copy, though.

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1413797066' post='2581877'] I think we need to put this to the test. Any chance of a cab-off at the SE Bass Bass? [/quote] We put a pair of midgets up against a pair of S112's at the last NE Bass Bash...

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1413796366' post='2581858'] Is the competition producing good looking cabs that are any lighter? Do people who buy these cabs buy them for the weight saving and sound and maybe are not particularly interested in Berg/Van looks? [/quote] TKS make good looking cabs that are light enough to make the difference negligible.

[quote name='Chienmortbb' timestamp='1413751224' post='2581587'] My beef with some of the posts is that they are either subjective or totally off topic with respect to the original post, The main gist of the OP was: [/quote] Drifting off-topic isn't a new phenomenon, though.

[quote name='Rumple' timestamp='1413793520' post='2581798'] Does anyone know if Limelight do any options? could you have blocks and/or a binding on the neck if you wanted? While I'm at it with the questions does Mark offer a light relic? all the basses I've seen on here and in real life are very lovely but a bit too worn and rusty for my liking. Thought I'd ask here 1st [/quote] I asked him about blocks - he can do a block'n'bound J-profile neck for an an additional cost. I also asked him about lighter-touch rellic'ing, and he said he can reign it in a bit.

I did a couple of gigs with mine on deep carpet. It sounded choked and boxy. The radiator is an essential part of the design. Don't restrict it.

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1413744744' post='2581503'] I like being a musical numptie - all these things I never need to worry about [/quote] Yup.. Suits me too :-)

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1413735262' post='2581353'] And shutting Genz Benz down was the most daft move ever - get a brand at the height of it's popularity with players, a range of great products and... shut them down... [/quote] Shutting Genz down makes perfect sense. A great amp with 'Fender' written on it is worth far more to Fender than a great amp with 'Genz Benz' written on it. Unfortunately, they didn't capitalise on it. ('Yet...', maybe?)