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[quote name='leroydiamond' timestamp='1376660806' post='2177559'] love Rush, but how many DVD's are these guys going to release?. I have them all so buying another one is just overkill for me [/quote] There's an obvious reply to this, but I'm not going to say it.

FWIW, when I started this thread the discussion was intended to be the way this specific complaint was handled. Nothing else. I have no opinion on AC otherwise. Never played one, couldn't afford one. :-)

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1376642352' post='2177144'] Tell me honestly, if that particular bass had come into the shop in the condition that it appears to be in from the photos and video posted would you have tried to sell it? Or would it have been send straight back to Jimmy asking WTF he was playing at? [/quote] It could have happened, too: [quote name="Jimmy Coppolo"]The only way I can possibly consider issuing a refund is if I find another buyer for the bass. I will reach out to all my dealers and distributors this afternoon to see if any of them will buy the bass. ([url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/my-horrible-alleva-coppolo-experience-1006426/#post14713848"]source[/url])[/quote]

Might be old news, but just in case... [url="http://youtu.be/2YuBjzhrxHg"]here it is[/url]. The string section still makes my skin crawl...

Meh. It's OK, I suppose....

Bargain..?

[quote name='skelf' timestamp='1376504256' post='2175154'] I can't make it on the 8th. [/quote] :-( Next time, hopefully!

[url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/212014-tks-engineering-112-cabs-new-to-the-uk-review/"]Something else to consider.[/url] These won't shift anywhere near as much air as a Compact, but if you don't need that... They're ceramic and weigh only slightly more than a balloon. He does neo cabs in slightly bigger boxes, too..

Ha... I can't be as cynical as most when it comes to the old loft ploy, because a few years ago I picked up a 1973 Rick 4001 as part of a job lot of stuff that had been in someone's loft for years. It can happen...

[url="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fender-1968-Telecaster-Bass-Guitar-2nd-Hand-/330989920531?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item4d10896113"]Not a bad price, IMO...[/url]

[quote name='martin8708' timestamp='1376518866' post='2175543'] I can't help but thinking those doing the most slagging off are people who have never owned or played an A-C bass and never have any intention of owning one . [/quote] What kind of insight would owning an AC lend to the debate about how Jimmy handled this particular transaction?

Excellent! Buying and selling will be fine.

[quote name='Dad3353' timestamp='1376433251' post='2174047'] All academic now, but here's the bass, and the purchaser, before the blow-up, with the photos that sold it... [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/club-alleva-coppolo-part-20-a-928105/index50.html"]http://www.talkbass....05/index50.html[/url] ...the buyer even uses his graphic skills to simulate different pick-guard options. An interesting read. The honeymoon was short, it seems... [/quote] [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f8/club-alleva-coppolo-part-21-a-1003967/index5.html#post14723476"]Some comments from the OP re Photoshop.[/url]

[quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1376468478' post='2174204'] Tweeted [/quote] Cheers, hinny!

Bump with a new date :-)

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1376420692' post='2173776'] The response was nothing like this, and I think various OPs were 'told off' for raising the issue by those who might then do exactly the same. Hence I think it should cool off because none of us ultimately know the facts and/or are involved. [/quote] The difference in the current instance is that photographs have been produced to back up claims. Also, the 'accused' is a forum member so a public right to reply was always in the offing. Previous instances I can think of have consisted of vague and occasionally wild accusations away from the gaze of the 'accused', with very little clear information produced to back up those claims. And that shall be my last comment on this particular tangent.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1376420118' post='2173752'] I think ultimately reviews of service will always exist, no matter what people do. If its a bad service, you should be allowed to discuss it but the extent of the AC thread is mind boggling. Threats? Bullying? Far too much. [/quote] It's the internet - idiots are never far away. You just have to ignore 'em.

Random info: The bass part on [url="http://youtu.be/73plLJ91QW4?t=12m39s"]this song[/url] is played on a Starfish EUB.

Someone has just pointed out that the 15th is Great North Run day. I'm checking to see what that actually means as far as routes to the venue are concerned. If it's going to be dodgy, we'll go for another date. [quote name='bluejay' timestamp='1376414401' post='2173649'] And we suddenly have lots of reading guests! Remember that not everyone is on FB, so please post updates on here too. [/quote] Will do! :-) [quote name='skelf' timestamp='1376415329' post='2173661'] I should be able to make this one. [/quote] Ah, it'll be great to see you there with some shiny toys!

Hi all! It's time for the fourth North East Bass bash. Uniquely amongst bass bashes, the NEBB is completely ramshackle - consisting of a (nice) room, lots of bass brothers and sisters, and all their gear. It's always a lot of fun. (Bring your own lunch and pop and that - there aren't many shops nearby)

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1376410932' post='2173575'] That doesn't make it right , though . It just means it's an effective way of bullying . How long until someone without a legitimate grievance does the same thing out of spite or greed and gets a result again st some poor sod slaving away in a workshop hour after hour for less than minimum wage ? Would that be a victory for consumer rights ? It's the bass guitar equivalent of "vigilantes "lynching people who are accused of being sex offenders . Sooner rather than later, innocent people become the victims . [/quote] Eh? Have you never heard of TripAdvisor? Read a review on Amazon? Taken note of feedback on eBay? Or would you rather all this went on behind closed doors?

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1376410106' post='2173561'] Trust me , in America there is plenty you can do in that situation . It's the most consumer -orientated and litigious society in the World . [/quote] Alternatively, you can post your experience on Talkbass and have it resolved in about 24 hours for free.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1376409386' post='2173540'] Yes , but as I keep saying , that is only the buyers version of events . He would say that , wouldn't he ? [/quote] Backed up by photos and a timescale that suggests he'd hit a brick wall. When you get to that point, what else can you do?

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1376403661' post='2173423'] Why so ? One interpretation of events could be that all Jimmy was doing was fascilitating someone getting their dream bass . [u]If [/u]the buyer had had his eyes open about the real state of the bass and still proceeded , that is . Jimmy says the buyer did know what condition the bass was in , the buyer says he didn't . The truth probably lies somewhere between those two points of view . [/quote] There is one factor here that should remove any element of doubt about the quality of the finished goods: $5000.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1376402170' post='2173371'] Well , that description is open to interpretation , that is my point . The maxim of "let the buyer beware " comes to mind . I am not saying that this is a bass in good repair , but a lot depends on how Jimmy represented the bass to the customer and what was understood by his description . If someone contacts you and says " I want that spalted alder bass really badly , can you help me with that ? ", as apparently happened in this case , then you are entitled as a vendor to try and extract a premium price for your goods . All these comments about "how can you charge $5000 for that piece of junk "are wide of the mark . The same folks should be asking " how can you [u][i]pay[/i] [/u]$5000 for that piece of junk ? " . No one put a gun to the fellas head and forced him to contact Jimmy Coppollo about buying that bass . Jimmy had an enthusuiastic buyer for a one-off bass and had a right to try and get a good price considering those circumstances . The discrepancy comes in what is meant by play wear and dings . With hindsight , the buyer should have asked for detailed photos , but hindsight is always 20/20 , as we all know . Maybe Jimmy understated the wear to the bass , and , again , with the balance of hindsight would descibe it differently . The fact that he has offered a full refund probably reflects that . [/quote] As far as I'm aware, the 'couple of gigs' worth of wear' comment was a direct quote from JC. You couldn't do that amount of wear in a few gigs unless - as one wag commented on TB - you are a gorilla wearing a suit made of sandpaper.