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[quote name='silddx' post='1352679' date='Aug 26 2011, 04:20 PM']A refret is not really a mod, it's maintenance IMO.[/quote] This. IMO, frets are like tyres on a vintage car.

Again, I refer Musicman20 to my argument which is - my experience wasn't about volume. It was about dealing with peaks at 'reasonable' levels. Not to my taste.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1352204' date='Aug 26 2011, 11:21 AM']Its less of a shop and more of a testing ground! When I mean crank I really do mean crank to proper volume. After being a little OTT with regards to research on the recent micro amp surge, I knew what to look for. If it doesnt sound great to my ears in the shop, then it wont sound great, to me, at home, or at low volume rehearsals, or potentially in the studio, so I wont buy it just for a tone that works 'on the gig' and thats it, (then we start getting into 'Sadowsky gig tone' territory). A lot of players don't get to gig much and just play at home, record, etc, so as much as the gig is 80% of the reason we may buy amps, there are more uses, for me, that I find important.[/quote] Unless there's a drummer to my right, a couple of guitarists in the mix and a load of people standing in front of me (hopefully!), I don't find these situations realistic. For the same reason, I always take what I hear at bass bashes with a pinch of salt. They are fun, though.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1352172' date='Aug 26 2011, 11:06 AM']It was literally an A/B test before I bought the 450, which I recently sold to get the 750. So, no, I understand this isnt the greatest of tests, but I trust my ears. The Bass Merchant let me crank the living hell out of both of them as they are on industrial estate. Two RS cabs. The clear deep bottom end of the Staccato is very obvious when A/Bed with the 450.[/quote] Ah, OK. I've learned to never trust what I hear in a shop.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1352160' date='Aug 26 2011, 10:57 AM']Probably the most sensible post ive seen on this subject over the past week, plus one to that. The Staccato has masses of low end, I tested one out before the RH450. It definitely does not lack low end/clean power and its essentially the same amp. It does seem rather 'coordinated' with many saying 'id sell now if I were you'...ridiculous.[/quote] Did you gig with the Staccato?

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1352103' date='Aug 26 2011, 10:22 AM']Wow, runs out of steam?! Seriously?! I can understand if you were in a really really loud heavy band against a few Marhshall stacks and you only had a 4x10, but then again, ive been there, and its super super loud. For everything else, its overkill. Even if it doesnt have a huge low end, and focusses more on a low mid kick with that 'pushed tube' compression, surely thats what it was meant to do? No one expected it to be super clean, crisp, with a huge low end. As some of the users of the LM3 vs F500 have said, the F500 doesnt go as deep/low and packs a bigger punch, which seems to make it seem 'louder' whereas the LM3 gets wider...the more you turn up. I think most were quite happy until the apparent wattage rating came out, and now everyone wants to jump on it. Sure, it isnt massively clean with a huge low end like the Streamliner, but for that tight low mid kick, that sits right in the mix and lets you cut if you want to, the 450 and then 750 is hard to beat, IMO and IME.[/quote] FWIW, I sold my RH450 after I wrestled with it during scores of gigs of all types for the best part of a year. Way before any discussions about wattage. I don't play in loud bands, but there was something about the way it handled transients that didn't sit right with me. It lacked authority. But like I say, it's a taste thing - plenty of people are happy with it.

[quote name='Muzz' post='1352086' date='Aug 26 2011, 10:10 AM']That'd be it, then...sounds good to me: compressed, low mids, what's not to like? [/quote] Ha ha.. my interpretation is 'Runs out of steam'. Diff'rent strokes!

[quote name='alexclaber' post='1352057' date='Aug 26 2011, 09:53 AM']If you like what the TC amp does as it runs out of power then you'll think it's loud. If you don't then you'll think it's overly compressed and lacking in deep bottom.[/quote] Nail -> Head. IME.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='1352027' date='Aug 26 2011, 09:21 AM']. Has anyone ever complained about the power?[/quote] *raises hand*

I found the TC lacked punch and headroom at higher volume, but that might have been a tone (and taste) thing rather than output-related.

[quote name='Clarky' post='1350538' date='Aug 24 2011, 05:56 PM']half-rounds. Thats floored you![/quote] Nowt of either.

Flats have no treble, and rounds have no bass. So, either way, you're screwed.

No experience of the SKB, but lots of experience of the Hiscox. And it's mint.

I have a bit of an ongoing struggle with engineers who just don't know how to mix 'old school' bass any more. They seem to go straight for big, open lifeless [i]trhhhhrrummm[/i]. It drives me nuts.

Do a factory reset, just in case.

[quote name='gsgbass' post='1346885' date='Aug 21 2011, 04:53 AM']Fender American Deluxe Precision [attachment=87541:DSC_0503_1.jpg][/quote] Lovely. What's it like?

Yup!

And I'll be the second: +1.

Here's a bit of info which might be useful to anyone who has had an experience with a noisy / underperforming Promethean. I've done a lot of gigs with mine over the best part of a year, and noise-wise it's been - as near as damn it - dead silent. I love it. However... as I was plugging in to the amp at a gig a couple of days ago, I noticed the nut around the input jack had worked a little loose. As a result the socket had a bit of a wobble so I instinctively hand-tightened the nut. Presumably, as I did this, the assembly behind the face plate rotated a little too. Anyway, since then I noticed two things... at the gig, I had to drive the amp a lot harder than I normally did. Secondly, when I used the amp at home afterwards, I noticed it had begun to hiss. Badly. I've just spent some time trying to work out what the problem is, and as part of the troubleshooting I thought I'd hand-turn the nut around the jack anti-clockwise back to where it was. Bingo! The power & punch is back, and the hiss is gone - night-and-day in a quarter-turn. So... all I need to do is pop the top off the amp and tighten the nut properly, keeping the assembly stationary. Could explain the hiss / noise issue a few people have had...? Until I get into the amp, I couldn't begin to explain what's going on behind the scenes, but if I work it out I'll post it here. Hope this helps!

I was never happy with the Sansamps. I ended up with an EBS and it was better in every regard.. IMO.

[quote name='thebassman' post='1345654' date='Aug 19 2011, 05:21 PM']Umm, that's a bit worrying. I tend to sit quite high in the mix in my band. My current sound is punchy and clear, with a bit of grit when needed. I really don't like wooly and overly bassy tone. That's the only draw back to shop auditioning, you don't get a true reflection of how you will sound in a band environment. As others have said, perhaps it was your tone adjustment or cab pairing. Kind of puts me off though, it's an expensive gamble. Cheers for all your comments guys Thebassman[/quote] Well, I wouldn't write it off. The last thing I'm interested in when it comes to gear is what it sounds like in the shop. The Streamliner is punchy and clear to me, but it's naturally punchy and clear lower down in the spectrum than most. Proper bass, IMO. It is an expensive gamble, though.

Awesome!

Fretless P, play it fairly often. Acoustic bass... nah. I've owned a couple, but they always seem to be dogs to play, and are totally hopeless unless you plug them in. Whereupon they become almost totally hopeless. They're an early 90s hangover from MTV unplugged, I think.

[quote name='rodl2005' post='1343965' date='Aug 18 2011, 08:04 AM']FWIW- If U can PLEASE try the STL600/900 out in a BAND environment BEFORE you buy one. I personally think the SOUND of the STL is great BY ITSELF, but as soon as playing in a decent sized band (in my case I tried it with 2 of my bands -1. 8-10piece soul/funk. 2. Classic Rock 4 pice 2gtrs Bass Drums) It Just lost ALL definition. I couldn't get it to be PRESENT in the mix no matter how I tried. Maybe it was my cabs, tho I tried ALL of mine- Bergs AE112-OK. AE212- awful, AE410 OK. NV215 pretty bad, Mark bass Hr115 x 2 Just OK But in NONE of the gigs did anyone - all the band members, sound eng. reg. audience members that've seen us MANY times - think they could actually HEAR the bass (nor feel it) they said it was a "boomy mess". I tried LOTSA basses too. Obviously It's ME & the way I play also, but just saying TRY in this situation B4 buying. Remember- I did say I LOVE the tone of the STL 600/900 ...... just not in a band mix. Of course everyone's different- thank God, & luckily I still LOVE my GB Shuttle, & I CAN Crank the bass if I wanna on that! My 2c.... take it or leave it.[/quote] Ah, I guess it just clashed badly with your style or your cabs. out of interest, did you roll the lows off and push the mids a significant amount?