Twigman

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muB957FxcA8[/media] Littered with mistakes - I really am not comfortable playing this song but even Mr Wootten couldn't escape the final note!!!

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94 MIJ

[url="http://www.moogmusic.com/products/moogerfoogers/mf-104m-analog-delay"]http://www.moogmusic...4m-analog-delay[/url] Edit: I'm too slow at the internetz

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1340364577' post='1703325'] I guess there are two debates going on here... 1. Is obtaining a copyrighted product without paying for it an illegal act? Well yes it is, if the copyright holder has made clear it's a commercial product: be it a piece of music, software, a book, the plans for a nuclear reactor, or whatever. 2. Can anything be done to stop the illegal sharing of copyrighted music? No, not really. Files can be encrypted, but hackers will eventually develop a workaround. Websites can be shut down, but that just drives traffic to other sites. It's a losing battle. [/quote] and a third: 3. Is illegal distribution really really such a bad thing or an opportunity for free marketing?

Currently bedding in a set of d'Addario XL chromes 45-100 on the new P. I thought I'd try them after reading all the good reports on here. I find that they are a bit twangy compared to the EBGroup3 flats that I have used for years on my other basses. [quote name='Monckyman' timestamp='1340281842' post='1702202'] Anyone have any flats for sale pm me! [/quote] I have a set of d'Addario XL Chromes 50-105 that I initially fitted to the new P but the 105 would've needed too much nut work so shortly after stringing I pulled them off and they've never really been played - £20 posted

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1340268840' post='1701853'] Tony McGuinness?? Bloody hell, I'm a huge A&B fan! This is like finding Elton John living in your shed... or something. [/quote] the very same Here he is the other day playing a 'gig' in our rehearsal rooms [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ncmn-JBrfzk[/media]

Our guitarist is the chap with bleached hair and spectacles in Above & Beyond: [url="http://www.youtube.com/user/aboveandbeyondtv?feature=results_main"]http://www.youtube.c...re=results_main[/url] He is doing the voice over on this he features around the 4 minute mark [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da9cK61zAMg[/media]

[quote name='4000' timestamp='1340215429' post='1701262'] if you wish to attempt to make a living as a musician and the possibility of income from recordings is (hypothetically) denied to you then, [/quote] How would income from recordings be denied to you? If someone distributes files for free they expose your work to far more potential customers than you might otherwise have had. If only 10% of them go on to buy a recording from you then that's income you would never have had in the first place. It's is free marketing. There would come a point at which this kind of exposure ceases to be beneficial - when one becomes a household name. Chances are at that point there would be more than enough legitimate income anyway. Those that then get your stuff for free probably wouldn't have paid for it if the free stuff wasn't available anyway. So who loses?

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340213750' post='1701230'] And if I'm to be entirely honest, I well remember your band from the first time around [/quote] [quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340205633' post='1701035'] Even when I worked on a specialist music station and had a commercially neutral playlist meet, we'd listen to the first 30 secs and / or the hook. That's all. [/quote] So did we ever get airtime?

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340213325' post='1701222'] Not required in the least. Good thread once we got past the whole moral thing. [/quote] i must admit I've enjoyed it more than any other thread on BC ever.....and now I've got sh*t loads of work that I should've done

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1340211897' post='1701194'] Ok, it's the push model again. But I would guess that because you are an established artist with back catalogue people feel it's ok to like you, you have elevated status, you are not like THEM. People need that sh*t. But nevertheless, good response from a few new listeners for you on the shout box. [/quote] Maybe true. A colleague of mine is in a new band (psych rock/stoner/ metal) called Stubb. They have no back catalogue to speak of - just released album #1 - but they are using the interweb to build a followin. successfully and independently - the interweb is the new punk. They get gigs all over europe. Of course they're not making a living at it (yet) and probably never will be but they are still managing to gain exposure and sell records.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1340211057' post='1701176'] But only because they were LOOKING for you! They didn't magically DISCOVER you. [/quote] No they weren't. Many, particularly via Last.fm (which we have never sanctioned) just get us played to them because we are 'similar' to what they like to listen to......many had never heard of us before accidentally discovering us by clicking on a youtube vid that was thrust at them while they watched something else or was played to them on some streaming site even reading some of the 'Shouts' on our Last.fm page suggests some folk discovering us for the 1st time [url="http://www.last.fm/music/Sad+Lovers+and+Giants/+shoutbox"]http://www.last.fm/music/Sad+Lovers+and+Giants/+shoutbox[/url]

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1340210269' post='1701157'] Different thing him featuring bands - he wasn't responsible for their success/fame; he always did it from the start of his time on air. He championed Roxy Music & Slade in the early 70's too. It helped - but it didn't cause their success. Tho' everyone knows about him & The Undertones. Just sayin'. You can carry right on into Page 16 of "I said, you said" now - [b]not[/b] you personally, just the whole topic. [/quote] I am not saying that Peel was responsible for their success. My band did a peel session but it got us nowhere....what I am saying is that why did the programmers leave the likes of U2/Smiths/Cure/NewOrder to only be played on Peel or Janis Long when a few years later they were all over Steve Wright or Peter Powell? I suspect it's because the programmers had an agenda and were empowered to decide what was 'good' and what was not. And they got it wrong. I imagine that many more artists that only ever got air on Peel or Janis Long would have had just as good a chance of success had it not been for the blinkered programmers at radio one.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1340210211' post='1701155'] In theory yes, in practice no. The people who pick up on something on the internet and share it and think it's OMFG this is awsome!!!!! are many, but those who OMFG you are so right!!!!! and reshare only tend to like pap with a massive marketing angle, cute kittens balancing plates, good cleavage, or stuff that's already popular. Even then it's the video getting shared and the music seems to be incidental. There is a massive load of sh*t to wade through before the good stuff hits your search results, and I think people are fatigued with that and prefer the push model, hence the sharing revolution. [/quote] I disagree. The feedback we've had from folk who have discovered us on the interweb bears testament to the fact that the interweb works

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340209253' post='1701126'] Look, in this particular debate your band is outstanding in a field of one. [/quote] There are plenty of other bands that have been revived due to the internet. We play a lot of the same vanues as many of them. Balaam and the Angel And Also The Trees Alien Sex Fiend are 3 bands from our era that we've found are still working after years of having their material unavailable........ As I said before we are being exposed now to a whole new audience of people who were not even born first time around. Does that not make us more akin to a new band? OK so maybe we play on the legacy a little but in all seriousness it isn't much. Our original record company never spent anything on marketing in the first place. that's probably why so few people have ever heard of us. That and we are sh*te.... The difference between us and a new band is that we have a catalogue of material to market. Recording a catalogue of material is nowhere near as expensive as it used to be. The playing field is far more level with new bands than you are implying.

[quote name='4000' timestamp='1340209172' post='1701122'] Did I say anything about illegal downloading? [/quote] oh I'm sorry I thought that was the topic being debated here. My bad.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340205633' post='1701035'] Plenty of great music [i]didn't[/i] get played, not because programmers are tasteless (in fact most I knew were passionate about the subject) but because it was the [i]commercial [/i]side that mattered. Why d'ya think Peel went out at nights rather than breakfast? Low demand, low support, niche interest. . [/quote] And yet many bands that started life on Peel moved to the 'mainstream'....U2,Smiths, Cure, New Order to name but 4.... Who assessed what was [i]commercially viable[/i]? They obviously felt that those 4 bands were unmarketable or why would they need Peel to break them?

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340204712' post='1701007'] But I [i]am[/i] saying the internet has made marketing bands a far more complicated and expensive exercise. [/quote] really? File sharing is free. It kept my band 'alive' for years. Can't get better vaslue for money than that.

[quote name='4000' timestamp='1340207703' post='1701087'] Oops! Missed the point entirely! [/quote] How have I missed the point? The point is one is no more likely to make a living now as one ever was.....illegal downloading just is not a factor in this.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340203441' post='1700975'] It is far more expedient that power be in the hands of few. And a bit of quality control might ensure that most of the crap would never reach an audience's ears. [color=#ffffff].[/color] [/quote] Let me be the judge of that - not the commercially minded record company exec whose only interest is the bottom line. Who is he to decide what I like or should be listening to?

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340200534' post='1700920'] My point is that that things have got worse not better. Had the internet had any benefit we would be enjoying it. But I think the majority here would agree we are not. [/quote] I strongly disagree. The internet is the greatest markrting tool ever given to the artist

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1340199401' post='1700891'] Have you any evidence for these assertions? [/quote] I work in an industry supporting the touring industry. We are as busy as ever. While some venues close (Astoria others open to take their place O2 Academy) We're certainly finding it easier to get gigs than we did 20 years ago More music is being made - music is much cheaper to make - whether any of it is good could be debated but if it is true that a certain percentage of the music is 'good' then it follows that more 'good' music id being made.

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1340198365' post='1700853'] For one thing, all those medium sized gigs are gone. Basically, live music is either Enormodrome gigs by dreadful old dinosaurs / simpering pop kids. Or it's a bunch of no hopers down the Frog and Dog. Nothing in the middle, see. In my day you could see name bands in 1000 cap venues. Where are they now, the likes of ... [/quote] they still exist: O2 academy Loads of venues in Europe smaller 300-400 I'd say there are as many of too: eg Purple Turtle OK so we have lost The Astoria/The Marquee and the Mean Fiddler but there are still plenty of venues