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IMHO.. jazz shape, JJ pickups, Jazz neck, ..preamp depending on the enterpretation of the tone of a jazz... its got to stay real IMHO

[quote name='JTUK' post='963788' date='Sep 21 2010, 08:57 PM']I wouldn't say that was....for the purpose of this thread. It has a P-bass and MM pickup config. You need twin pups to run as singles. Just as a jazz can't really do P-bass, I would think that would be the case here vice-versa.[/quote] tis def not..dont think he meant it to be...

[quote name='Tait' post='963632' date='Sep 21 2010, 06:33 PM']For me, there's no real definition of a Jazz bass. There are some things I will class as a Jazz, and some I wont, and it doesn't always make sense! For example, I wouldn't class the one posted by Ou7shined as a Jazz, but if it had a Jazz pickguard or even no pickguard I probably would![/quote]?

[quote name='pietruszka' post='963800' date='Sep 21 2010, 09:07 PM']...Dovetail strings. My band has been offered a possible 'part-time endorsement' and Im curious as to hear from any one who has used these strings. What are they like? Tone? Feel? Cheers. Dan[/quote] havent heard of them...where are they from?

[quote name='TheGreek' post='963741' date='Sep 21 2010, 08:18 PM']Is this why Vic has one - see my thumbnail[/quote]i personally think the sound comes from Victor not from the Fodera...there are certain EQ settings that he uses..active, versatile basses have so much variation on the preamp... one Fodera is not exactly like another Fodera when one chooses "There Tone"...these famous tones from Jaco, Marcus, come from a amalgamation of a limited eq'd bass and the fingers and ears of the player... IMHO

[quote name='Chris2112' post='963714' date='Sep 21 2010, 08:03 PM']But if you look Bubinga, bassists and guitarists are ridiculously bad for being stuck in the past. In the 80's, things looked set to take off. Graphite was new to the market and those who adopted it quickly became very proficient at crafting basses with it. Headless design took off, as did active electronics. Solid state amps came and moved the goal posts on heavy, flabby sounding valve amps etc etc. Then things seemed to stop and largely went back in time in the 90's! Luthiers everywhere continued to improve on the foundations of Ken Smith, Fodera and Alembic etc etc but the frenzy of development seen in the 80's just seemed to tail off (as did musical creativity in general, sadly). We've come leaps and bounds from the 80's in the past 20 years, but it's sad to think that those days of excellent development and creation are gone. I guess synth players are the same. They've got incredible technology now but they all want to get their hands on 1980's kit too! [/quote] Hey not at all..i think those days are still here Chris...i just dont think that the sound and style of those graphite basses give most players the sound that the want... the Modulus Genesis is a great mix of the stiffness of graphite but the sound of wood... headless are great, but when you think about it...why? apart from the thought that basses were neck divers..ive had 17 basses and none of them had neck dive... i think it (MAYBE) tailed off because there wasnt the market for the innovations..i think the thing is alot of players cant really (in a musical situation) tell if its a graphite neck, headless...the ultra hifi sound of the 80's was a thing of the 80's..although i did like it.. the best inovation in bass is Sheldon Dingwall's fan frets...but although they are prob awsome B strings.. i cant see Victor Wooten saying...i gotta have a Dinger... the bass is an instrument for the most, that is not broken...we just all dwell in the different sounds and feel of what is available...its all in the music...

[quote name='TheGreek' post='963679' date='Sep 21 2010, 07:32 PM'][size=3]Why is it that everybody reminisces about fenders they [u]used[/u] to have?? Doesn't anybody still have a good one? Or is it that good Fenders are merely a [b]myth[/b]?? To be honest I've never played one that's half as good as anything currently in my living room. Aren't Fenders merely the Emporer's clothes...If they were as good as the rep nobody else would sell anything!![/size][/quote] you should play mine...ive played Modulus, Shur's, Pensa's, Moon's...IMO mine is way better...it may be a good un,.. but ive played many great Fender's...its all in your own ears though for sure.... i played a 71 in swansea and ive never heard anything quite like it.. the good ones have that something though...very organic....bloody mine field thats the prob..

[quote name='Chris2112' post='963677' date='Sep 21 2010, 07:31 PM']If anything though, I think Fender's custom shop are better today than they've ever been and the same can probably be said for their general QC. But the design of the jazz and P bass (for me) is really starting to age now and in all corners of the market there are better shapes and sounds. For me and many others, anyway.[/quote] i think mass market instrument will always slip and slide in and out of good and bad consistent building...it must be a nightmare to keep a hold on.. your second point really depends on what people want Chris..there is something about instruments be it bass, guitar, piano, DB, that will always be traditional...im all for pushing the boundries...but do you see that many people buying the lightwave system?..great bass ive played one, but there is only so many things you can change with instruments...its only notes after all.. there is something very organic about the old school sound...all people need is something to express themselves..it just so happens that the original fender sound seemed to appeal to so many..and i can see why.. i think there is a limit as to how much further you can push the electric bass..there are only so many attributes it has..the music changes not the instrument imagine the multitude of different things you can do in music..now imagine how many different things you can do to an electric bass...does it really matter....?

i have always thought in my experience that Fender jazzes take a little more getting used to if you used to playing active basses...ive had many active basses that blew me away...at one time i was playing nothing but active basses ...when i came back back to a passive jazz bass i was underwhelmed..i found out (this may be just me) that i needed to come down off of that super jazz active sound and take some time to get back down (in a good way) to the passive sound... it was very rewarding... trouble is with basses there are so many variables that make a good bass sound...unfortunately Fender is mass produced, so they dont have Jimmy Copollo's attention to the instruments...maybe this is why people say that older Fenders are better..no mass production..

[quote name='bh2' post='963566' date='Sep 21 2010, 05:26 PM']THIS is a jazz... 1962... fretless, J-Retro, DiMarzios...[/quote]my word.. does that belong to you bh2..ive seen it on Talk bass ..this is a jazz also... Redeemer circuit , nordstrand NJse4's....my love..

[quote name='PURPOLARIS' post='963572' date='Sep 21 2010, 05:30 PM']Mine is an active Jazz Bass made by Fender..........................does that mean mine isn't proper It's for sale [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=103487"]HERE[/url] if anyone is interested [/quote] sorry i have to say im not sure FMT's are really Jazzes.. if you post it to me i could varify it for you, and give it back to you in a few months or so..

[quote name='Ou7shined' post='963497' date='Sep 21 2010, 04:33 PM']Is this a jazz? [/quote] No but i like it!!! thats a bad ass bass... ou7shined... ive obviously heard of the legendary Pingray before, but do you have a link, or can you tell me more about it...

i would ALWAYS buy second hand these days...unless i was loaded and really wanted a bass bad..(i would if i was rich believe me i would have a house full of basses).. but being on a budget at the mo like i am, there are so many bargains to be had...good god i got a Sei for a grand..i got a £2700 fender for £1100 ish... Most of the time, especially buying from Molan, the basses are set up way better than a shop anyway... on a different note, can you think of a jazz bass that has a distinctive tone like a Sadowsky..apart from a passive fender...i never hear from anyone..oh that Alleva tone, or that Celinder tone...maybe because these company's havent stamped there sound... but i always hear..man that Sadowsky tone tone is the bomb...i wish i still had my RV5.. end of waffle

im trying to think of a bass thats as close to a Fender jazz without the pre, passive and has JJ pups slim neck etc... oh maybe a Lakland JO? they dont have a pre do they? what im saying is where should it stop? what are its attributes that make it a jazz...i guess thats why they call Sad's super jazz basses...

Ok i was thinking about this as soon as i got up this morning, ok its been on my mind for many years...but seriously , about jazz basses... as we know there are so many copies of the original jazz bass, prob more than any other bass...seems to me the line has been blurred for a long time...i see so many so called jazz basses with MM pickups, soap bar pickups, Pbass width necks, 7 string jazz basses, a multitude of preamp options, rear routed.. im not saying i dont love all of these options... so IYO what makes a jazz bass a jazz bass...has it come down to just the shape...then again ive seen a non jazz bass shape with JJ pickups called a jazz bass...ive heard jazz basses that dont sound anything like a jazz bass...they got the shape the jj pickups but no growl, snap, cutting punch... what is the jazz bass? no matter how many innovations that have brilliantly been brought to the instrument, is a true jazz bass still a Fender

[quote name='Chris2112' post='963348' date='Sep 21 2010, 02:29 PM']I don't know about that, because when I played an NYC bass it was privately owned. I suppose a large part of my disappointment was that I was sitting down with a "Sadowsky", a name that has some much weight attached. And at the end of the day, when it's just a jazz bass and not a particularly outstanding one at that, you're bound to be left feeling disapppointed. I like jazz basses just as much as the next bloke, but for the same cash you could have a Sei or a Wal![/quote] This may have been because you just didnt like the feel of a Sadowsky...that doesnt mean anything, apart from you didnt like it...doesnt mean that Sadowsky doesnt carry much weight...Ok you may be able to get a Sei or a Wal for the same money but i f you dont like those two there prob gonna feel rubbish in your eyes also.. Jazzes are so different from one maker to the next..To me my Fender CS is the best jazz bass ive played but it dont mean nothing to anyone else... i am also confused as to why you can get a Skyline for so much less than you can get a Metro...i know what i would buy...

everything that Dingwall do..

i should have put this in Petes thread but i forgot.. yes anoher of B5's music thread..this is worth the watch though i promise... this is one of my all time favorite jazz funk bands since i was very young...Johann's bass playing, aswell as the rest of the band, is so spot on...that Sadowsky sounds immense!! you couldnt get a rizla paper in between there groove... check out the drummer playing on Johann's bass...and the expressions on Johann's face...very funny.... awsome groove.... for me the bass playing is perfect.. there like Incognito and Fourplay mixed??!! [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc4oPqmCbFA"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc4oPqmCbFA[/url] More Mezzo!! [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywI0QrcVeZo&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywI0QrcVeZo...feature=related[/url] [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkGJ-iKrzl8&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkGJ-iKrzl8...feature=related[/url] this is just so good...Garden Party.. [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqDh8KBdFE&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vqDh8KBdFE...feature=related[/url] this is my of all time Mezz track...just awsome groove from Monkey Fields..... [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAw3OgtmoZI"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAw3OgtmoZI[/url] i hope you enjoy...

could be...i know Willie played with Grant Green..tone sounds like Willies Pbass but its a hard call.. you gotta love those double stop slides..so cool..

gotta love white tort jazz bass....