maxrossell

Just wondering if anyone rates John Stockman from Karnivool. I'm just listening to their new record. Really amazing, thick, toneful and tuneful basslines. Hell, he even slaps on one tune and it doesn't sound sh*t (maybe because it's not a funky noodly look-at-me line, just a regular bassline with a sharper tone). Also he uses a six and he's the first sixer I've seen who hasn't bored me sh*tless with their fretw*nking.

Kinda gets to the point where you're buying something that can't possibly be better than a new model costing around two grand or whatever - I sincerely hope that goes to a musician who will do something good with it, rather than a bank manager who's going to keep it under his bed for ten years.

[quote name='NickH' post='699558' date='Jan 3 2010, 02:18 PM']Wonder which one of those she went home with?!?[/quote] Fred from Scooby Doo, interestingly enough...

[quote name='Marvin' post='699548' date='Jan 3 2010, 02:09 PM']I'm sure if I were to list my record collection on here it would be met with howls of laughter, but as no one on here really knows me should I take in personally?[/quote] Yes. Yes you should. If I don't approve of your record collection you should hang your head in [i]shame[/i].

[quote name='Hutton' post='699526' date='Jan 3 2010, 01:57 PM']Nah, I just think you like to argue. This is your lifeblood. No wonder various people have got fed up and left these forums. It's my turn now and jolly good riddance to me![/quote] On the whole, actually, I like to be able to point out when I think something is sh*t without people acting like I've just punched their mother. The fact that people get their knickers in a twist about what they perceive to be such a [i]controversial[/i] matter as some guy slagging off a naff video on a forum, lose their cool and start passing personal remarks, is what tends to lead to arguments. If you feel you can't take that kind of heat, then maybe the internet isn't the right environment for you, but really, honestly, [i]it's nothing to get worked up about.[/i]

[quote name='Hutton' post='699509' date='Jan 3 2010, 01:48 PM']You see, I just don't get it when someone posts in a dergotary fashion to criticise something that someone else enjoys. If you don't like something, and you want to express your opinion, just say it's something that doesn't do it for you. Or better still say nothing at all. To incite fans of something by using language which is obviously geared to inflame said fans is inviting argument and heated response. Of course, that may be the intention of the post. Let me put it another way: Grow up and live and let live![/quote] Nah, rubbish. I don't go calling people d*ckheads for their taste in music, but on the other other hand I'm not going to mince around delicately when I think something sucks. The OP understood that my comment wasn't a personal attack on him (although not everyone else did). If someone tells me they think that Pearl Jam are a load of sh*t I'm not going to get all shirty and spit my dummy, even though I happen to like them. I don't interpret it as some sort of provocation. If I wasn't able to take negative discussion about my personal tastes I wouldn't air them.

[quote name='leftybassman392' post='699487' date='Jan 3 2010, 01:39 PM']Record the bass clean through DI onto your recording medium, and then run an output from the recorded channel to the input of your chosen amp & record the signal off the amp onto another channel. It has numerous advantages - not least that you can keep trying it with different amps to get the sound you want.[/quote] Spot on. It's a good little mixing trick, bearing in mind that you don't always want the musicians milling around when you're trying to find a good amp sound, but you have to have them around to actually cut the track, so the simplest thing is to get a dry signal on tape and put it back out of the desk into an amp later, when the musicians have all gone off to snort coke off a model's bare breasts or whatever.

[quote name='wotnwhy' post='699480' date='Jan 3 2010, 01:33 PM']lame, stupid hair, crap sweater, sh*ttest bass sounds I've ever heard, dull, toneless voice, sounded like arse, look like self-indulgent arse. relatively inoffensive? lol anywhoo, i got a bug up my butt from the lack of tact displayed rather than the words used. and have moved to pm.[/quote] Note that [i]all but one[/i] of those terms were used [i]after[/i] having been personally insulted by your good self. So, you know, "[i]relatively[/i] inoffensive"... I'm also not interested in discussing it with you via PM. I don't know what you're expecting.

[quote name='OldGit' post='699467' date='Jan 3 2010, 01:24 PM']No one around here replies when you answer an ad. Makes you wonder why they bother.[/quote] Not that I want to turn this into a "why bands suck" thread, but I reckon it's because half the time people who put up musicians wanted ads don't reply because they gave up on the "doing a band" idea when they realised that it takes time, effort and money. They eventually go on to audition to be in other people's bands, except usually they cancel at the last minute or just don't turn up, generally because they haven't been bothered to learn the two tracks they were supposed to audition with.

Awww, you gotta love these adverts. I just looked at some in my hometown, there's a band looking for a singer, they give their myspace address, but there aren't any tracks on the myspace - apparently the tracks are for SERIOUS APPLICANTS ONLY as they're clearly going places and have lots of important top secret stuff lined up - then you find out that they don't have a rehearsal space and the guitar player's just quit. There's also a good one: [b]"Looking for a late 70s, early 80s metal singer"[/b] ... Are you [i]sure[/i] you want someone that old in a metal band?

[quote name='Pete Academy' post='699432' date='Jan 3 2010, 01:01 PM']You're not by any chance the Beef Chief in disguise, are you, Max? [/quote] Nah, there's [i]thousands[/i] of irascible douchebags like me on the internet.

I'd be wary - just because it's rare doesn't mean it will be any good. It's a nice price but you might have to do quite a lot of work to make it playable. Note that most of the info on the ad pertains to a real Gibson Grabber, and not what you're bidding on, never a good sign. For that kind of cash you could get a modern copy of something like a Jazz that you know would be well-made and playable.

[quote name='GreeneKing' post='699416' date='Jan 3 2010, 12:50 PM']Could you not see the smile on Hodgies face as he was playing? To say it was lame is just well, extremely lame in itself imo. No it not bass as we know it Jim but it's superb playing and a great rendition of the song played unusually and brilliantly on a bass. Very talented and very enjoyable. Not to be taken uber seriously and perhaps a more open attitude would help? All imo. Peter[/quote] Hey, it's just my opinion. I think it sounded like arse, and the smile on his face just made it look like self-indulgent arse.

[quote name='wotnwhy' post='699399' date='Jan 3 2010, 12:38 PM']i guess if you don't see a problem, you never will. just because you don't like something shouldn't warrent a rude, blunt and frankly condescending reply. it's obvious the original poster likes, so how do you think your response will make them feel? and was that the intention of your post? if not, and you were merely adding your opinion to a thread there are much more tacful and respectful ways to do it..[/quote] Blah blah blah. Sorry, but I don't take criticism about my tone from people who open with insults. You got a problem with the way I express myself, so you go one worse and get personal? Smart.

[quote name='Bloodaxe' post='699391' date='Jan 3 2010, 12:24 PM']And Maxrossell - Strokes/Folks eh? I find the vast majority of slappy/tappy/poppy fusion a yawn but it seems pretty popular 'round here.[/quote] Oh sure, but you should probably be allowed to point out that you don't like it without some jumped-up tosser calling you an idiot.

[quote name='wotnwhy' post='699383' date='Jan 3 2010, 12:18 PM']you have no need to apoligise for not liking the video. it's a shame you thought that was the problem..[/quote] So what's the problem, then?

[quote name='wotnwhy' post='699374' date='Jan 3 2010, 12:04 PM']you[/quote] Well, apologies if a video of some skinny white bloke with stupid hair in a crap sweater using one of the sh*ttest bass sounds I've ever heard to accompany himself murdering a Robert Johnson in a dull, toneless voice doesn't yank my crank.

[quote name='wotnwhy' post='699365' date='Jan 3 2010, 11:58 AM']sorry, but the things you are are just to many, and to unsuitable, to be named on a forum.... idiot being the only one passable here..[/quote] Who, me or bloodaxe?

It really depends on the mic-amp combination. I'll usually record the amp, but unless I've found a sound I really like I'll also take a DI and re-amp it later. Bass amps get noisy, but most of that will disappear in the mix anyway, and crystal-clear mixes are just f*cking boring if you ask me. Re-amping seems to be one of those things that's gone by the board along with lots of other old studio techniques people used to swear by. Like taking the time to mic things properly.

Sorry, but that's just... Lame.

Ummm... A band I fronted a few years ago supported Breed 77 on one occasion and Skindred on another? That's about it, really.

[quote name='Spoombung' post='699281' date='Jan 3 2010, 09:47 AM']For a moment there I thought this was going to be another one of those weird "which bass is best for Worship Music" threads...[/quote] Basses made by Jesus, obviously, He was after all a carpenter.

For £45 it's probably gonna be ply.

[quote name='bassjamm' post='698160' date='Jan 1 2010, 05:45 PM']It's a black pick guard, so any suggestions? Why would you apply the stain to the whole body though, even the non-exposed parts? Just curios. Do you know of any good links to any photos, videos or guides then? I'm pretty sure I've grasped what you've talked about though, but any visual help would be a massive bonus too. Any tips on how to achieve believable wear on the maple neck and finger board? Would it be a case of using sand paper to break through the finish down to the wood in the correct wear zones/patterns, and then using the lacquer like we would on the body? Thanks again kind sir. Jamie[/quote] If it's a black pickguard, I'd basically give it a sand/T-cut treatment to round the edges off and take the new shine off the surface. I assume it's a 3-ply, so I'd also give it a bit of stain to offcolour the middle layer. The reason why you stain the whole body is that the ageing process you're trying to recreate involves discolouration of the entire instrument through exposure to light and dirt and pollution and the oils from your hands and dead skin cells and whatever else. Show me a guitar that has been played for forty years, and I'll show you a guitar that is several tones darker than it was when it came out of the factory. That's why you want to use brown stain - applied then wiped off quickly it will leave the surface just a fraction darker - and a fraction yellower - than it was before. As I said, I don't like any of the guides I've found. There is no real established how-to for relicing, and how successful you are is really going to depend on your artistic skill - remember that what you're trying to do is produce a counterfeit of something. The best tip you'll find out there for how to achieve a good look is to look at real old instruments and find out how they got that way. On a maple fretboard, the laquer gets worn away by the strings scraping on it, and the wood gets stained by sweat and dirt. So you wear it away in the same areas and stain it. Same with the paint around the arm contour, it gets worn away and the wood underneath gets stained with sweat and dirt. The bevels of a pickguard get worn down. The surface of the metal parts gets tarnished. Just find out how best to achieve those effects. and you're good to go.

[quote name='bassjamm' post='698089' date='Jan 1 2010, 04:44 PM']Thanks for your help there kind sir. That's all more or less along the lines I was thinking of and reading about anyway. The body is black, so I guess I'm going to want to take the shin away a bit and get a duller look about to give the feel of age. That's what I'm after, an aged look, not a battered up pile of junk. Where you say the following though, how long would the pick guard need burying for, and what kind of effect would it give? I've got a good idea as to what I like the look of though, and there's plenty of pictures online to find inspiration from I know. It's just a case of learning how to do it without knackering the thing up. There's a guy on youtube who's got some pretty cool 'how to' videos on relicing. He's using a full on power sander to do parts of it. He get some pretty cool finishes, but I'm worried that it could be too easy to go too far too quickly with that method. Hmm... Also, you mentioned staining. I'm guess the stain only really needs applying to the exposed wood and under coats etc? Not the whole lot? Would It be worth putting a Nitro finish on to the body then? Although, I guess that's just making more/hard work for myself. Thanks though maxrossell. Jamie[/quote] In order: Black is an easy colour to relic - or rather it's hard to get it wrong. Scuff it up, like you said, take a bit of the shine off it. Don't take [i]all[/i] the shine off it though, you're not going for a matt finish. I don't actually think you should bury the pickguard. That's an extreme example of what you can do, but on balance it probably wouldn't have a particularly impressive effect. Get a mint green pickguard, round off the edges a bit, scuff it up, rub some stain into it then clean it up, that's about the best you can do with plastic. Ignore "how to" videos on youtube. I've yet to see one where the achieved effect is even vaguely credible. People who relic guitars for a living charge hundreds for a reason - it's way more difficult than just blasting the thing with an orbital sander or stabbing it with a screwdriver. 99% of it is done by hand because, as I said, the whole thing is a buildup of subtle layers of ageing. People who do it professionally do hours of research, and the effects they apply are not random. You'd apply stain to the whole thing. If you rough the paint up first the stain will take better, but you have to bear in mind that the stain will take far more on the wood than it will on the paintwork so you'll have to judge it carefully. Use very small amounts of stain and work slowly. Maybe dilute the stain some so you're not putting on too much at a time. And no, you absolutely don't want to be spending a lot of money on nitro paints and clears. This is your first project, so at this point it would be little more than a waste of money. One thing at a time. Relic this one, then maybe refinish the next one once you're more confident. Or if you absolutely want to refinish this one, use poly paints because if you make a mistake it won't be as costly. But don't take on too many things at once.