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Stolen from The Gear Page... but some google search implies this is correct. I know the pedals actually work on 9v, but use a system to internally downgrade the 12v input to 9v. I'm not entirely sure why they did that, but the following explains how the daisy chain bypasses that process: ""The Boss ACA pedal works when daisy chained to a 9V supply because the shared ground in the daisy chain bypasses the internal voltage limiting components in the ACA pedal. This allows the pedal to receive the full 9V supplied by the daisy chain, which is sufficient for its operation. The ACA pedal's design relies on isolated grounds to control its internal voltage drop, and when the ground is shared, it no longer forces the voltage reduction, enabling the pedal to operate at the 9V supplied by the daisy chain. This behavior is consistent across any power supply where the outputs share a common ground, such as daisy chain setups or power supplies like the DC Brick.""
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You may well be spot on. I assumed you’d taken one output from the supply per pedal, as opposed to actually daisy chaining them to each other with a single daisy chain (and I still can’t get my head around why that works on the ACA pedals!!!).
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Doesn't that era (early/mid 80's) need the ACA power supply? So 12v power supply (or a 9v battery)? I ran one on 9v for years thinking that was right, but then found out it was an ACA version... and swapping the supply gave me tons more volume and headroom. Just checking as the RPW-7 won't power the ACA demanding ones properly. I used to have an ACA and PSA version at the same time and difference between them at 9v was a bit like the OC2 were vs the OC5 in your clip. That said, the OC5 absolutely has a touch more volume output than the OC2. I also have an ACA MIT OC-2, that has been modded with the -2 Oct disconnected. Doing this gives loads more headroom to the circuit and raises the volume to pretty much the same level as my OC5, which is nice.
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I'm not eager to prove anyone wrong, but I am interested in how people perceive things so differently, especially when we're all a bunch of pedal nerds, with many many years (and countless pedals) of experience between us - my brain is always comparing and looking for this kind of thing, and there are many peoples I moved on due to latency. 'Something' is at play, and I'm interested. If I'm sat there playing an OC5 and saying there is no latency, then hand you the same bass and you say 'dude, there is noticeable latency' then the issue is 'us' - the human experience of sound and feel. And that's super interesting to me. I've too done the blind on/off test between the same two pedals as well, and can't feel anything remotely like 'latency' (but I can tell a slight tonal difference between the OC2/5 and the 3leaf, but it's super minor), so having that experience is genuinely interesting to me. South Shields is a bit of a trek (I'm in Derby), but after my next work trip, if the stars align, I'd love to take a drive. Worst case - a couple of hours trying out each other's pedalboards!
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I use the solo’d -1 Octave of the OC5 in vintage mode as my ‘clean tone’. It’s always on, 100% of the time. I can’t detect any latency at all and certainly no difference to my OC2. If there is latency, it’s the same as the OC2 and I no longer feel it having played with that pedal always on for years. I actually borrowed a 3Leaf recently from a friend (we did a swap over as he wanted to try my OC2), I couldn’t hear much, if anything, in it tone wise through my set up. There was certainly no difference in ‘feel’ for me either. This is of course, within the context of my set up. Maybe the pedal is more sensitive to other bass inputs, power supplies, effects chains etc? I’d love to do a side by side in person with someone who does feel like the latency is there! It would be great to see if I can feel it using their set up and if they can acknowledge it’s not there using mine etc. In the interest of science, where are you located @thisisswanbon?
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Having a clearout to try and calm my current pedal analysis paralysis problem! All prices include UK postage. ALL GONE! Dr. Scientist BitQuest, limited Blackout Edition. Also includes the extra EEPROM kit allowing you to swap out sounds for others. Jack of all trades multi effect in a tiny package. Mint, boxed. £180 SOLD Dr. Scientist Phreak. Super musical ring modulator. Mint, boxed. £180 SOLD Maneco Labs Small Nimbus. Mutable Instrument Clouds in pedal format, with Parasites firmware. Powerful granular delay/verb/synth texture generator. Great condition, no box. Note that a manual for this pedal doesn’t exist, you have to use the manual for Clouds (and the extra firmware), which can be easily found online. £220, WITHDRAWN Red Panda Bitmap2. One of the best bitcrushers ever made. Mint, boxed. £200, SOLD Aguilar Octamizer. V2 version. Great octave down. Mint, boxed. £120, SOLD DOD Meatbox. Sub octave monster. Excellent condition, boxed. £110, WITHDRAW PastFX PX-101 Lowpass Filter & PX-251 Control Processor. Clone of the Moog MF-101, as well as all the LFO power of the CP-251. Incredible quality clone of one of the greatest filters ever made, with notable improvements (power, proper bypass etc). Only selling as a pair as they are a match made in heaven. Offering a sizeable discount to make them a valid purchase as a pair. Mint, both boxed. £250 SOLD Any questions, please ask. Small discount given for multiple purchases. Collection in Derby is welcomed. -
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So many builders are including CV capability as standard now as well... so when I previously owned this, it was only really working with my Moogerfoogers and Eventide. I actually has IE make a custom Xero for me that would work with it. Now though, load software pedals play nice. All but one pedal I'd love to use this with have CV functionality built in. it's a bit win.
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I need an option for ‘all of them’
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I’m very interested in the Thorpyfx version. I suspect it’s going to cost a touch more than the Behringer though!
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One of my greatest regrets was selling my MP-201 some ten years back. Finally, I got my hands on another. Mint condition. Christmas came early.
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There is honestly no right answer to this question. There is no right order. There is only the order that sounds best to you/gets you the tone you want. While there is a common go to as a starting point, it is normal to break out of that order to find specific sound combinations, because pedal A and pedal B will sound different together depending on which comes first. If you only use 1 pedal at a time then the order matters not. That go to order to start is: Pitch - Dirt - Filters - Modulation - Delay - Reverb Compression either first or last depending on its purpose in your chain. EQ’s place is entirely dependant on what you are shaping with it - are you adjusting the clean signal before it hits the drive? It goes before the drive. Are you shaping the tone that comes out of the drive? it goes after the drive. Are you using it to tame the sonic mess that happens when all pedals are on at once? Then put it at the end of the chain? So, don’t worry about where it ‘should go’ as there is no place for that. Just experiment with every combination and placement, and settle on what works for you. I hope that helps.
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As an update to my list… ACG Salace E-Type Schroeder 1212 Markbass SD800 Too many pedals (if there are loads of amps and cabs coming already, I might not bother with mine).
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A simple solution, be it one with a high upfront cost, could be to replace your existing power supply with one that already has a USB charge port on it, such as the CIOKS DC7. Though it's pricey, you could sell whatever you existing supply is to claw back some funds, and the CIOKS is pretty amazing - a worthwhile investment. At least with this approach you know that it was designed for that application and you're not putting any strain on the supply, or injecting noise etc. into the signal chain.
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I considered the same, but the depth issue is actually very minor… it’s still effectively one rail of a pedaltrain- this just overhangs the space between rails more. Compared to have much space 12 loops worth of QM’s would be… it’s tiny. And I love the QM! This is just super good for the size.
