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Give ScottBass86 a shout - I know he was looking for a new project.

CV = Control Voltage. It's a system used by Moog and some other manufacturers (usually with synths) to control perameters rather than regular expression pedal methods etc. Basically, taking voltage away from an area of the pedal turns the perameter down and giving it more voltage turns it up (at it's most basic level). Which other abbreviations?

[quote name='CuticleThorns' post='1353350' date='Aug 27 2011, 09:59 AM']dang - guess i'll just have to manually switch the exp cables. thanks for your help[/quote] Unfortunately I think thats the only way to do it. You may be able to make a custom cable to do the job with 1 set of patching - but even then you would not be able to turn off the effect of that patching (So the LPF would be effected by BOTH the Ring Mod cv our AND the exp - no doubt creating some bloody insane noise) Shep

[quote name='xgsjx' post='1353289' date='Aug 27 2011, 07:45 AM']That's a shame. CV to midi converter? For the cables, Could you not make cables that come from the 201 to be TS at the 201s end & TRS at the other (just connecting to T & S, leaving R empty)? Would that not then allow you to use TRS from MF to MF (if needed)? I made my TRS cable go from TS to TR so I could take it from the 101 & into the input of the 105s step (so each new note played a step), but I changed it back as I use it more just now going either back into the 101 or into the Rate on the 105.[/quote] That may work - I've never had a need buy will experiment to be sure. Quite confident it should work though. [quote name='CuticleThorns' post='1353321' date='Aug 27 2011, 09:19 AM']Sorry to jump in, but i have a question which is on topic... [b]Are there any alternatives to the MP-201?[/b] not as in CV generator but as in a line selector that can controll expression pedal signals & cv? I'm using a Moog LPF & a Ring mod on my board & want to be able to alternate between: Exp > LFP Cut-off Exp > Ring Mod Rate, CV out to LPF Cut-off. I've tried splitting the exp pedal out through a Boss LS-2 into a loop master (one loop via the ring mod rate/cv) and then into the Cut-off - anyway i didnt think this would work and it didnt! Suggestions & feedback welcome! J[/quote] Not that I'm aware of. You couldn't do this with an MP-201 either as you still need 1 lead to each perameter you want to control. So 1 would go from the 201 to the LPF Cutoff, another would go to the Ring Mod rate. As a cable already goes to the LPF cutoff, you couldn't run a lead from the Ring Mod CV out to the LPF cutoff as well. While the 201 is amazing it is not a signal splitter as such.

No. As it's a control unit only - the only signal it recieves is midi. It 'gives' CV, but does not 'receive'. It is a control unit at heart. It uses TS to deliver CV as well, as opposed to TRS, and you can't mix the connections - so of you are feeding the 101 with anything (via the TS cable), then you can't use the Env' out of the 101 to anything else as that woul require a TRS cable and mixing the two results in nothing!

[quote name='thisnameistaken' post='1352345' date='Aug 26 2011, 01:09 PM']Can it be triggered from an external source? Could you wire it up to operate like the EHX BMS, for example - triggering the envelope with each note?[/quote] I don't think so - although everytime I say that about the MP-201 it ends up that the answer is really yes. I'll have a play. Bear in mind this is a CV generator so any signals coming to or from is need to be either CV or midi...

[quote name='Dread Bass' post='1351891' date='Aug 25 2011, 11:35 PM']Looking good Shep. We need to have a six string bass bash [/quote] Sounds good! Though we'll not have much luck trying each others out (you lefty freak! )

+1 An LPF with an expression pedal in the cutoff will be enough to get you the mainstay of the sound and decide if it's a road you want to go down. Our new EP is being mixed on the 18th Sept and 1 of the tracks is fooger and MP-201 dominated so you can hear it used in a few different ways in the same track... I'd send you the line mix to hear but the balance is all off.

Now strung with Black Beauties and ready to ship... Damn that looks sexy!

I've just reread what I put - very sorry dude. That was a pure typo! I meant to say my 1st purchase would be the MF-101 (LPF) / my description of why is relevant to the LPF. That will teach me to write long posts on my iPhone when I should be working!

[quote name='bassjamm' post='1350494' date='Aug 24 2011, 05:23 PM']Thanks for all the input guys and gals, really interesting stuff indeed! I had a feeling the LPF would be the weapon of choice to begin with...looks like the most usable for my situation. Just one thing you mentioned though Shep... Isn't the MP-201 just a controller for the other pedals in a round about way? In other words, don't I need a MoogerFooger for this to control before it's of any use to me? Sorry if I've missed something here, just thought I'd clarify it is all. Thanks in advance folks... Jam[/quote] Yes - it is just a controller and you do not need one to use the moogerfoogers, although as it's already been said to use most of them live you'll likely want an expression pedal (certainly with the LPF). If you expect to recreate much of what John Davis does without one though you may struggle. It opens up Moogerfoogers an awful lot as well as controlling midi devices and a whole lot more. There's a lot of babble out there about the MP-201 and much of what Moog write about it is quite hard to follow. In essence... It is an expression pedal with 4 outputs - so it can effect 4 perameters at once on one fooger, or 4 single perameters on 4 different foogers or any combination you can think of. They can be controlled together or in any combination and hold multiple presets so you can set differed start and end points for 4 expression pedals all working under the foot at once - like having 4 expression pedals connected to a fooger. On top of that, rather than controlling a perameter with expression you can control them with a range of other options, each fooger reacts differently (or not at all) to these options, but some basically turn the foogers into totally different beasts. They are LFO - range of waveforms, full control of rate, depth, offset and a range of others. Som you can turn your ring mod into a spacey tremolo or control the LPF cutoff with a triangle wave for the huge Dubstep wobble. Envelope - one tap envelopes to trigger a swell or similar effects following a preset evelope wave form. This can be used for one tap synth swells to to make crazy effects I'm a range of ways Noise - puts White noise down the cv channel, some perameters do nothing, other go insane. Very useful with the Freqbox Gate - all or nothing setting works in latching or momentary mode. Flips from a preset value to the full CV value and back. Each of these settings can be tailored to huge degrees but this is a fair over view...

[quote name='eude' post='1350015' date='Aug 24 2011, 10:30 AM']I thought you were an Overwater String devotee? Any reason for the change? I was thinking about trying out the Black Beauties too, but was concerned about losing the mid rangy growl you get from some Nickels... Cheers, Eude[/quote] Indeed - I've been an Overwater Nickels man for aaaaages. IMHO I'll most likely return to them as well. A friend has used BB's for ages and having spent some time playing his bass I find the tension to be a little lower on the BB's, which my fingers like. Also the tonal comparison I find is very similar, certainly nothing that a minute tweak on the mid dial doesnt sort out. The big sellin point at the mo, being that I'm on stage with the drum & bass project, is that they look Awesom [quote name='charic' post='1350067' date='Aug 24 2011, 11:11 AM']I've always loved the look of Roscoe's but compared to the UK luthiers I think they're really quite steeply priced Hope it plays as good as it looks [/quote] I agreed completely. They do seem very expensive. I have had 2 UK custom built instruments that cost more than this one though. Cost is comparative though. My UK built basses have all bee sold on. The Roscoe fretted I own is going nowhere, no other bass I've ever played come close to it's feel and tone. I admit, like everything though, it's all matter of personal preference and I'm sure others woul play it and disagree whole heartedly!

Ta da! My I'm late to this discussion!! Many many types of low pass filter - I can't really add any more to what has been said, you need to try them to see what works for you. The Moog one has a rich warmth to it which is great for Electronica, although I find its envelope resonance to be quite understated compared to others. My 1st purchase from Moog would always be an MP-201, it is the glue that holds the bass in eletronica, from fat dub EQ settings to synth sweeps. No contest, don't look around, do not pass go, do not collect £200. Buy an expression pedal with it as well, connect it to cutoff and with the pedals you already have, you have got yourself an electronica set up. I own another 3 foogers and an MP-201 and use them all in my live set up. I don't own the murf, although I have played with it. For LFO duties, you can either rely on good modulation effects (chorus and tremolo) after the LPF, or do what I and John Davis and Bond (Miloopa) all do, which is to connect an MP-201 to it and control the cutoff knob with a triangle wave or similar for huge sub wobble - this is however very expensive as a set up, and I do think that running a good tremolo after the LPF still gives great results. Advantage of the MP-201, as well as it being the glue that holds foogers together, is that it accepts midi clock, so if you and a drummer play to a click, you can ensure your tremolo's are in exact time - as opposed to setting them up by ear. As for a 2nd choice - The obvious second fooger to go for as an electronica bassist is the Freqbox as paired with the LPF is a monster for crazy noise and swells - however, it's not as versatile as I'd like and if I could bear to sell it (again) I'd prob fill it space quickly. I use the phaser as it's massive sounding and creates some stunning sub textures, but my real 2nd choice would be the ring modulator! The Moog Ring Mod, on low settings is an amazing LFO an tremolo in itself, in fact it's the best tremolo pedal I've used on a bass... In its extreme settings the soundscapes it creates are amazing. It interacts great with other pedals and has become the Swiss army knife of noises on my board. Hope that helps... Shep

It is pretty special looking!! Just need to rehouse 2 basses bow and I'm good to go! 1 fretted, 1 Fretless - living the dream

They certainly don't. It's being string with Black Beauties before it's shipped and then it's all mine!

Pic just in from the US. Will ship from Roscoe HQ to Bass Direct this Thursday... STUNNING!

Give Max @ SFX a shout. I'm yet to find a pedal that man can't fix!

Dude, I'll see you at the Canalhouse tonight. My other half already has the tickets! Looking forward to it. Shep

We discussed the project for a while before I posted, but start to end will be around 10 weeks.... Very quick.

I'm told this is 'nearly finished'! Hoping on more progress shots later...

Justin's chancellor - Bassist for Tool. Most amazing tone in the rock business IMHO. Amazing bassist. Amazing band. I saw a recent video tour of his bass set up and he was using at least double the number of pedals you see there. Amp set up was the same. I notice he's had a bloody good hair cut!

Thanks Si. Really appreciate it. It was a great night, I'd go as far as to say the most fun gig we've played - and possibly that I've ever played. Great great stuff. Crowd were amazing. Thanks for coming dude

[quote name='phil.i.stein' post='1342743' date='Aug 17 2011, 09:14 AM']pre-gig morning BUMP ! calling d'n'b / dubstep fans who can make it to Nottingham. come watch Shep in action. best £3 you'll ever spend.[/quote] Ahhhh. Cheers dude... Appreciate the hype

[quote name='xgsjx' post='1339231' date='Aug 14 2011, 12:08 AM']An updated pic of my current board. [url="http://www.flickr.com/photos/xgsjx/6039938614/"][/url] Looking to add an OC-2 or similar & maybe another EP-2. I also want an octave up pedal to use on a separate channel from the OC-2.[/quote] I remember when mine looked like that - lol