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Cool. I like the groove in your sample (the 'live' feel is something I really dig). I understand where you were going with regards to your thoughts on sound after hearing that too. In a way I try to make it not sound too much like a bass and deliberately like a bass-synth (keys with lots of bass) mainly for the "wow - thats actually a real bass" effect when folks see it live. Ironically though, my drummer was saying this week that it would be nice for me to use some fatter overdriven sounds with bitcrushing etc rather than fuzz on fuzz with it all - So maybe an OD pedal is on the books.

Yes. But the Moog pedal contains an envelope follower and has a very wet sounding resonance that can be fine tuned to effect the sound coming in as well. It's obviously going to react better to sounds with lot of bass, and high harmonic content (like fuzz, Subdecay noisebox, copilot orbit etc etc) but the Moog LPF compared to other LPF is 'flavoured' traditionally gto work with Moogs style of synth tone.

+10000000 on the above. The LPF makes for THE BEST synth sounds on the planet. Octave & different fuzz/noise pedals before it, modulation afterwards. I'm yet to find any synth pedals that sound anything near as synth like as the LPF can get!

I made comment on my thread for the Barefaced Big Twin T, but worth mentioning here - If you are using your Barefaced Dubster cab with this set up, you'll never get the swells to sound like on the vid - The cab is designed to have pretty much zero highs, and to get the top of those swells you need lots of high, preferably a tweeter. You'll get fat synth bass, but not up to the 'key's' territory.

I looked at the Dubster too - the Big Twin T goes lower than the Dubster, but with less immense low mid power, which suited me better. The Dubster also won't go high enough for my swells and synth stuff where I need a tweeter. Actually worth mentioning that in rears to your other thread about the Moog LPF - those synth tones you made reference too won't be achievable at the top end with the Dubster due to the fact it needs some serious highs. You'll get swells, just not quite like on the vid.

This is the official one for the current XO version - http://www.effectpowersupplies.com/electro-harmonix-96dc-200bi-714-p.asp If you bought it from a UK store though, they should swap the plug for free as it's supposed to come with a 3-pin from the UK distributor.

The new XO version works on 9v, but requires an isolated supply - so it's own adapter (200mah plus) or a gig rig virtual batter if you want to daisy chain it. The old school version needs 24v supply!

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1318247799' post='1399599']Turn the cutoff to about 9 o'clock (or just above) & put it on 2 pole to start with. I have the res at @ 4, but if you want a bassier sound, take it down (between 0 & 2 has tonnes of bass! ). Amount should be at 0 & the Mix at 10. I notice Shep's on here too, let's see how our settings compare.[/quote] Great minds think alike!!!

Dub tone - you don't need any other effects, although octave Down can't help. On the LPF - Res - 0 Mix - 10 Env - doesn't really matter 2 or 4 pole Fast Boost the bass on your Pre/before the filter. Start with cutoff about half way, then start playing and slowly roll the cutoff back until it starts to go sub-tastic and remove all the top end. The more bass in the mix before it, the more pronounced it'll be. Octave down will fatten it more - seems the frequency response is best around the 12th fret on the A string when using an Octave down. If you engage a fuzz before it you won't hear it with the cutoff that low, but if you then swell the cutoff with an expression pedal you can add some lovely synthy fat swells (add a little resonance if you do this, about 4). Shep

[quote name='umph' timestamp='1318074060' post='1397826'] i'd stick an Re-20 about 2' away.maybe more pointing toward the upper 12. That should capture all the speakers fairly well and get an accurate representation of what you're hearing. Guess if you're only sharing the stage with a drummer bleed wouldn't be a huge issue either! i'd definatly take a di to aswell though. [/quote] Definitely. A DI & single mic will be more than enough for live. I'm happy to have something that will do the job without proper PA support, as is the situation a few bars in the local area. They are set up with small speakers around the roof that the DJ just plugs into, but not really suitable for a live mix.

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1318148574' post='1398441'] ...but always fiddling with some pedals lol Si[/quote] I don't know what you mean!

Dude, it may not need it - by my god does it roar! I have to watch that EQ boost at 50hz as it moves furniture! Fact.

Not wrong!

[quote name='waynepunkdude' timestamp='1317124180' post='1386959']Mrs WPD enthralled in a discussion about graphite necks. [/quote] Love the fact that this seems to be the only pic of me from the whole day - like the man of mystery - never show my face!

[quote name='citymariner' timestamp='1318020927' post='1397468'] It built up a grand suspense to a grand looking cab! Just a (possibly naive) thought, how would you mic a cab like this? Would you need three mics and three different mics for the different types of driver? CM[/quote] That would certainly be where I'd start - though obviously phase becomes an issue. For recording I used to use 3 mics on my EBS212 - 2 different mics on a speaker and one on the tweeter. Takes some real care to get them exactly right but worth the effort. I'd suggest 4 mics on this cab if I can get the engineer to go that far (one on the low passed 12, one on the full range 12, one on the mid driver & one on the tweeter) then blend the 4 sounds. Given the overall phase of the cab I'd also be interested in trying just a room mic and a DI blend... As for live... I'll let the venue engineer figure that out. I assume most will Just DI and let the cab do it's thing. Pic from the rehearsal room tonight - [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/24ae5f40.jpg[/IMG]

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1317940978' post='1396622'] You need to get a gig down here so I can hear you live mate [/quote] One day - it's an expensive journey and I have zero contacts amongst drum & bass/Dubstep promoters down there. Tough finding a gig that far away without taking a huge hit to play the show. [quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1317945336' post='1396663'] nice one Shep. cab envy. i love my compact/midget-t set-up, but for dub etc., that sounds like the one ! a Genz-Benz amp should be your next move.. [/quote] A Genz Shuttle 9 was next on my list. The initial maths said that the cab Would give me a clear 3db boost in the subs with my HD350, but If I can feed it with 900-1000w then I'll get 10db more sub. Fact is though, 3db is a hell of a lot when it's clear at 40hz and being able to reproduce the boost at 50hz upto 12db without the amp seeming to struggle at all, I think I'm sticking with the HD350. The bright control on the amp is great for tweaking what comes out the tweeter on stage as well...

Awesome. Ironically I intended my post to be a 'look at my new toy' kind of post - unfortunately I rambled on so much it became a review. I'll do a full review after it's annihilated the Nottingham Playhouse on the the 16th!

I'll give you that Si. I heard Si's set up with him doing stuff not too dissimilar to what I do and it was the reason I investigated the Barefaced option! Right move. [quote name='burno70' timestamp='1317856299' post='1395607']I'd love to hear that in the flesh - sounds awesome - and I bet your also stoked at the weight? Hurry up and do a tour up north so we can check it (and your band) out![/quote] The weight is pretty much the same as the EBS can, which is remarkable due to it being about 40-50% taller. Weight has become more of an issue being we're a 2-piece (let's not mention the weight in the pedalboard though!!!). Watch this space for tour dates etc. We're working on it.

It's a different kettl of fish to the Super 12 T. It goes much deeper. It is obviously not as articulate in other ways though. The cab is ideally suited to my needs though. It performs like a sub and a PA top in on box.