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[quote name='Si600' timestamp='1340966180' post='1712091'] I am using it after the ODB-3, it goes through the EQ - COMP - ODB-3 - NG. The port allocations are: EQ to Input A, Output A to ODB-3, ODB-3 to Input B then Output B to the amp. I'll try using it inline with the engines the other way around as you suggest though and see what happens. Thanks again for sparing the time to assit [/quote] Hmmm... I recall trying this and finding odd results... I understand the 2 sets of inputs outputs were intended to allow you have one engine in line with your pedals and another connected to the effects loop of your amp so you can apply one engine (assumably the Noise Gate) after your amp EQ section. I'm unsure how it responds in the way you are using it. Give the inline a try (engine A effects the signal and then runs into section and let us know how/if it differs form the way you are using it? Shep

Ah - I have only just realised!!! You are using the noise gate BEFORE the noisy pedal!!! Ha. Yes.... put it after otherwise it will do NOTHING! I assume you were using the ins and outs of the separate inputs on the back to isolate the pedal? Wish I'd noticed that 1st! lol. Id suggest just putting the nova dynamics inline so only one input and one output is in use and use engine A as a NG and engine B as a compressor. So... BASS - GE7B - ODB-3 - Nova Dynamics (Noise Gate THEN Comp) - AMP I'd suggest starting with the attack at 9o'clock and the decay on minimum/zero... this means the gate will fade in fairly quick once the threshold is met and then it will open instantly when you start playing (so as not to cut off the attack of your 1st note).

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1340961791' post='1711997'] I agree with a lot of the above, any kind of gain pedal will amplify and highlight any noise already present. I don't know a great deal about gates, but I know that some (like the Boss NS-2 [url="http://bossarea.com/loadpage.asp?file=boxes/ns2.xml"]http://bossarea.com/...e=boxes/ns2.xml[/url] ) also has a 'noise reduction' circuit. It attempts to cut out hiss/noise whilst allowing the guitar signal through....but how well that works with hi-gain pedals I don't know, not used one Si [/quote] It does very little - My understanding (and from my use of an NS-2) it seems to be pre-programmed to identify common problem frequencies such as 50-60Hz hum and certain high level whistles caused by too many transformers being near each other. The reason I stopped using the NS-2 was due to a small suck of bass 'punch' which I 'assume' is part of it's treatment to the 50-60Hz area... it may not be that, but something was certainly lacking with that pedal! Hiss etc remained untouched and is just a byproduct of high gain effects.

A noise gate silences the pauses - It will not reduce 'noise' while other things are going on as there is no way for it to identify what you consider to be noise. The point of the gate is to get rid of the hiss and squeals etc etc in the parts when you are not playing anything to keep the silence silent. The Nova Dynamics (which i use) is the best live Noise Gate in a pedal format IMO. The instructions don't really help explain amazingly well, so sorry if this is exactly what you know but it makes sense to explain for completions sake... The Threshold dictates how soon the gate reacts so the lower the knob is set, the less volume is required before the pedal thinks it's time to gate. The Level dictates how much volume is dipped out once the threshold is reached. The Attack and Release knobs allow you to control and the length of the fade in and out to the amount set on the level knob. This means that when the last note you played dies off to the threshold level you can make the gate instantly choke the 'noise' to silence, or produce a natural fade out (and then back in) when you start playing again. Importantly here the term 'noise' means your entire signal!! One tip is to ensure the gate is BEFORE the compressor as your compressor is effectively making the hiss and low level noise louder as your notes sustain - thats the compressors job! If you gate well and then apply compression to the remaining signal you will hear far less noise. Another very important thing to point out is that the ODB-3 is supposed to sound like that! It is a gain-based pedal and it's job is to amplify and enhance the gain in your signal chain - that means his in the silence! If you don't have noise when that pedal is off and your noise gate usage is purely to silence this unit then I would suggest you want to go and get yourself a gated-fuzz pedal (ZVEX Mastotron etc) and set the gain low to get an OD tone and let the pedal do all the gating for you!!! The only way to remove the hiss and noise completely and all the time is to identify what frequency the noise is at and then use an advanced EQ to remove the guilty frequencies from your signal - Fine in a studio but far too much work when live! Hope some of that helps and I'm not just teaching you to suck eggs...

Boo! I run 5 foogers from my GigRig generator. The all draw different power amounts and the MF-101 seems to want at least 200mA to not get noisy. The Moog supply that comes with it gives 300mA to allow headroom. As mentioned it is tip positive - which is the opposite of most pedals and boss style stuff and they all require isolated supplies other than the Clusterflux which is happy to work without isolation (I assume thats part of the new board design and hopefully will be true of new foogers to come!). So - reverse polarity, isolation and 200-300mA is what you need. It's obviously easier (and cheaper) with these to stick to the retail power supply, but for me it was a red tip adapter (reverse polarity) and a Virtual Battery bother from GigRig (and can be used with other supplies, not just the Generator). Worth noting that my Moog Ring Mod and Phaser require exactly the same stuff, but the FreqBox is an arse and gets VERY noisy unless it gets lots of juice! The power supply for it gives it 300mA but I found ANYTHING less than that and it whinges (so Dan at gigrig modded a SupaNova adapter for me to give it over 1000mA).

I've had one in the studio for a few days... It's a great bit of kit and the way I'd go if I had too... But the flexibility I get from my current modulation and delay far out strips it. Yes it does other stuff... But I'm the way I currently use my set up its not for me. I'm sure I'll own one some day though!

D-L-B - I've had a request to interview you for my 'Interviews about effects' section of my blog. I'll be in touch soon if you fancy it.

[quote name='lxxwj' timestamp='1340715521' post='1708452'] Ahh, I've heard of Bubble Chamber before. Crazy weird stuff. I'd love to know what he's doing with the M9 though.. [/quote] Yeah - They are pretty awesome. Just picked up a support slot with 'Peaches' as well I understand which is a pretty major gig for them. M9: Modulations mainly... plus the odd touch of Delay, Reverb and Compression I think. Beauty of the M9 is that is it very good at many things (hence the hordes of users and thread after thread of discussion). I've been thinking about getting one myself recently and replacing my 'Moog Modulation' line up (Ring mod - Phaser - Cluster flux)... truth is I'd heart broken and doubt I'd get much more out of it where modulation is concerned.

Thanks Chilli! Appreciate it.

Ha. No worries man... That's why I got out of your way sharpish! ;-) Was a cool show mate. Glad he turned up too! ;-)

You guys coming to play with our boys, Alright The Captain? You guys have plate together before a bit if I recall? Great LP by the way... I'll be buying on payday!

[quote name='chrismuzz' timestamp='1340376408' post='1703699'] Shep, didn't you say using a True Bypass pedal right after the Stageclix causes loud popping sounds? That might be what's happening to John. Sounds like he's having even more hiss than me though! If you say yours is quieter than a cable then I must have a duff one too! [/quote] Yes - as I use the wireless to connected to the pedal board rather than the amp I have experienced a 'pop' with my TC Polytune and Polytune mini. I can't swear it's all True Bypass pedals as I only tried with these so there is a chance it could be an incompatibility with the TC mechanism... Though I doubt that. In fairness I almost always have a buffered pedal 1st and last in my signal chain anyway (I find they iron out many problems with noise and popping within the chain... TB is more trouble than it's worth IMO!) so I always run the tuner after a buffered pedal anyway. Still the best wireless system I have owned.

Awesome day today & a great set from you guys dude! Top stuff (as always!). Shep

I know! I'd end up selling Toms drums to pay for it It may be less than £600, but I think it'll be close. The Cluster flux is $600 in the US and £469 over here which is 1.27 to the dollar, so it'd make the 104M £547 ish... So maybe £569.99 after they take import into account?

Cheers dude. I just ask questions I'm genuinely interested in hearing the answers to...

You have to sell it now...

I'll have 2nd dibs on the Rat Tail...

Cheers guys!!!

[quote name='Sibob' timestamp='1340376936' post='1703714'] £600????? I'll stick to my DM-3 & Akai :-D ([size=1]yes I know it's very different[/size]) Looks great though, I wonder if they'll send you one to A/B against the TC Shep Si [/quote] Already tried that one... They side stepped the question nicely!

Nice... $700 is around £450 on the exchange rate at the mo, but with import and shipping by the time it hits the UK stores I think we are looking closer to £550-600! Looks awesome though!

Really surprised to hear these issues. I use mine and if anything is quieter than using a cable and absolutely no change in tone. Some of you will know how insanely massive my effects set up is (22-26 pedals/units depending on the gig) and still no hiss etc that is not expected from a signal chain as long as mine. Chris - was yours from Bass Direct too? Maybe a few made together with defective components? Shep