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Absolutely... Very different beasts. Both would be amazing!

Who's John?? EDIT: I get it... Your lady friend that knows my drummer knows him as John, which is actually his name, though he hasn't used that name for 10 years or something. Everyone knows him as 'Tom'. I only found out his name wasn't actually Tom about 6 months ago and I've known him for for 2 years (and been in a band with him for 18 months!). lol. As for Perspex. It was suggested before, but I'd have to move it around and it would be huge, like the board. The logistics just don't make sense for me... Plus as you say, I'd need to face front and me and Tom/John always place facing each other.

As TG Flatline has pointed out - If you are playing that low and want it to sound 'full' you need a cab that will reproduce it correctly rather. The thumpinator 'may' smooth out the subsonic mud a little, but if the cab doesn't run that low, it doesn't run that low.

[quote name='M-Bass-M' timestamp='1327926264' post='1518778'] Hmmm, may pop to B&Q on the way home tonight then as that sounds like a good solution. Thanks! [/quote] No worries. Had a similar issue with my Moog MP-201. Thin bit of plywood will do the job perfect. I found an eBay shop selling Perspex/Plexi-glass and messaged them with some exact measurements for a couple of blocks. Few quid each.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1327921942' post='1518668'] I miss that kind of gig [/quote] They are fun... Shits me up with all the beer flying about though and all the gear

Take the rubber feet off. Velcro or stock a 5-6mm bit of wood or perspex to the bottom to fill the 'dip' and so it sticks over the lip by 1mm, then velcro to the board. Effectively a riser, as you would use to lift a pedal over the lip on the edge of some pedalboards.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1327919736' post='1518617'] cool, maybe get him to take a feed from the desk at the next one? It looks like a sh*t load of fun though, a proper crowded "messy" gig [/quote] Seriously messy. The stage was a swimming pool. Pints going everywhere. Had to bin my trainers they had been eaten apart by beer! lol.

A friend shot it on his HD camcorder from the back of the show. Had no idea it was being done. It has a built in clip meter so he kept it just under clips and that was the results. The compression is from the camera unfortunately so no way around it, but still listenable I think, and yeah - Bass sounds massive!

The other contender was a lighter piece with dark splatter effect and looked quite like peacock feathers. It had a cluster of cool detail right in the centre though where the pups would be. The other was dark with an awesome 'butterfly' like lighter section, again it would get stuffed by the pups - though would make the coolest midi bass ever I'm confident this will look cool, and being buckeye it weighs pretty much nothing which keeps the bass spec on track!

[quote name='funkypenguin' timestamp='1327865729' post='1517950'] Whoaaa! Thats a stunning piece of buckeye indeed! Cant wait to see how she turns out! [/quote] Yeah dude. Suddenly becomes real when you see a piece of wood like that. Woo!

I think you are right... I think they would come with a hefty up charge as well, plus the Nordy's aren't really for me. Bart/Bart or Bart/Demeter for a Roscoe. Yum. Decision on the top I finalised. To make sure it wa going to look rocking I printed out each of the 5 options and drew on the pups and bridge to see what detail would likely be obscured. A bit OTT maybe, but it was worth it. In the end this is the selected top for my bass... [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Roscoe%20LG%20Signature%20V/af5f0ef2.jpg[/IMG] There will be a matching headstock facing as well. Can't wait to see this taking shape!

Hmmm... I'll stick with everything underfoot

Users of the Hothand can likely add more here, but as I understand it, you can only manipulate one parameter with it? If you wanted with the MP-201, you can manipulate 4 parameters on any unit or combination of units at the same time... So you coul hook it up to the 4 knobs of the Moog LPF and move them all with one foot, all doing different things, or with 4 LFO's or combinations of different t functions. If the Hothand has the capacity to control multiple functions (or multiple Source Audio pedals at once) then that opens more doors. If it can't, I'm sure it will only be a matter or time until it can!

The MP-201 is amazing, if a little complex roger your head around. I have a 'good' understanding, but still stumble across features I never knew were there! Hothand to midi is simple enough as Source Audio make a midi input device. Converting that to CV may be a little tougher. I like the concept of the Hothand and have seen some great results... But it's not for me. I jut don't 'click' with the concept and for what it brings to the table over the MP-201 in the realm of rate flexibility, it looses in its offset and mix/blending abilities, which for me are far more musical. I'm not sure the Moog is higher 'quality', but it does have a VERY rich analog time that I've never heard from anything else. The SA sounds fine as does the Iron Ether, but to my ears, nothing sounds like the Moog LPF. That's it charm I guess and it's got me hooked dammit! The SA stuff though is obviously cheaper and still accessible and will likely be the way most guys go from now in within the genre. Strictly speaking there's a 3rd route as well - Get a synth!

[quote name='lxxwj' timestamp='1327799294' post='1517102'] Ah, those are back in the Whammy DT era! Still, my mind is blown. I think I understand what's going on though.. So the MP-201 can control the rate of the LFO too, with just an LPF? Pssh, weddings. If I ever get married, I'm doing it with a solid bass guitar over my shoulders.. ..wait, smaller? Did I read that right? [/quote] Oh my. It was huge wasn't it. Both those Tourman board now live with the band 'Union Station Massacre', they are a 7 piece with 3 guitars and each guitarist has a Tourman full! Crazy ambient sound scape stuff! As for the LFO. Yes. The out put from each of the 4 channels of the MP-201 can be set to do one of the following using either a 0-5 or a -5 - +5 CV Scale. 1. Expression - swell from and precise point to another. 2. Gate - Footswitch controls an all or nothing CV amount 3. Noise - send white noise the output - some pedals react iterestingly to this 5. Envelope - sends an enveloped waveform to the output per hit of the switch 6. Send Midi CC 7. LFO - Most of the times you see this demo'd it's like in my vid earlier where it controls the LPF but it works with ANY CV based bit of kit. Effectively the MP-201 sends a waveform to whatever you have plugged in that controls the CV voltage of the pedal. A triangle wave for example has the same effect as turning the knob all the way up very quick, then all the way down very quick over and over and over. This can be used on ANY Moogerfooger to to control ANY peramter... Plus other pedals like the WMD range. So an LFO on a phasers sweep would hear the rate of the phaser getting faster then slower then faster then slower. The LFO controlling the frequency of a Ring Mod is insane and totally unusable in a musical setting In LFO mode the expression pedal of the MP-201 can be used to control 1 of 3 perimeters. Rate. Amount. Offset (where the 'centre' of the wave is - so moving it down makes more sub wobbles and going up makes higher tinny wobbles). As the pedal is full programmable you can set the accurate start and send point of a swell, precise clock divisions I it's running off midi clock and wether heel is lower or higher than toe (reverse expression).

Hmmmm. I think the Roscoe/Barts are moulded, so not with that pickup option. Maybe with others. Ramp, quite possibly. But given the pups will be staying black, I'd prefer to go with the black Diamondwood ramp too. If the Buckeye pup covers had been an option, or I could talk myself into different pups, then that might look pretty cool.

Synth wah is an interesting way of looking at it, though most Wah's are band pass (emphasises a specific band of frequencies) rather than low pass (cuts everything above a specific frequnecy and emphasises everything below it). Moving the cutoff by expression with a high resonance will give you a wah like effect. The more complex the signal before it, the more pronounced the effect. At one end you hear only sub and super lows, then as you swell it lets through more and more high frequencies until you have full signal again. You can flavour that with envelope as well. The classic synth swell is, at it's most basic level, the slow turning of an LPF cut off with a range of octave, fuzz and modulation before it. Feeding it with an LFO gives you a tremolo that rapidly goes from sub to fuzz rather than a traditional volume up and down trem. The LPF trem is what gives you the wobble in modern Dubstep music. Please excuse the horrid playing. This was done the day I put my stuff on the custom board just to make sure what I had at the time was patched together etc. It's out of time and all sorts but does demonstrate Octave - Fuzz - Low Pass (controlled by MP-201): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i3aPmQ5OOw&feature=youtube_gdata_player And this one with similar effects using more of the LFO functions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL95ac_73lE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Si - behave!! lxxwj - ignore him, he's a penis and he knows it ;-) Actually, if you want to be precise, looking at the placement of the jack sockets on the photo of Johns gear, he is controlling the LPF's cutoff and resonance with the MP-201. I'm actually surprised he doesn't have it connected to the Mix as well as that would allow him to blend wobbles in and out smoothly. I alter the resonance by hand as track to track as its not something I find I need on the fly.

The MP-201 does an awful lot of stuff. John uses it to control his Low pass filter in the same way I do, it allows control of the cutoff in the form of expression pedal swells, but also with CV based LFO's - all the Dubstep wobbles and the control of the depth/rate and intensity of such, as well as blending them in an out is all done by the MP-201. As for phaser after fuzz... That's an awesome combo, but sounds nothing like that Orbit or the Noise box. The orbit is a Gated fuzz, but more aggressive than the mammoth, with a ring mod circuit built in, in the form of a VCO and the ability to blend the mix of both sides of the circuit. The Noisebox has elements of the Orbit, but the VCO has two distinct voices and has a level of frequency modulation and random noise generator. The Noisebox is harder to tame, but has some great results. Both of them sound very different at their extremes. John gets some awesome results from his set up and I consider him and Nerve to be a huge influence. The reason my board is so much bigger is I'm filling the role of the synth player as well as the bassist in that genre of music!

No need to apologise for discussing cool effects based awesomeness!

No battery. 9v only. No guitar/bass option only so the polyphonic mode only works on guitar. Will function in chromatic mode perfectly with a bass though. More discussion here: http://basschat.co.uk/topic/165454-tc-electronic-mini-polytune-at-namm-2012/

[quote name='Darkstrike' timestamp='1327774819' post='1516643'] Agreed, be curious how solid that middle setting is. Buckeye seems to be the priority though, Hipshots are no big deal to swap out later! [/quote] That's a good point. The Hipshot is an easy swap. I think I'm close to a decision on the top. Of the 5 there's 2 that look a little cooler on first impression. One quite butterfly like and another speckled like a peacocks feathers... But after some serious study, the block of pups and ramp would destroy most of what I love about those tops. Simple and cool is the desired effect.

This was covered in another thread a while ago - I think the Drum & Bass/Dubstep thread. The chap that did the interview is in fact a Basschatter. Theres quite a lot of discussion on John's set up, as well as Bond from Miloopa (Another bassist to check out) in that thread if you haven't already...

Been having a look. Must be new, certainly haven't seen them before. Smart idea though! I'd like to try one before I considered it to how definite the latching was between each setting etc. very cool though. My mind is currently preoccupied with Buckeye Tops too though! Lol