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[quote name='EskimoBassist' timestamp='1320928944' post='1433253'] Great advice and an incredible board. It's been really interesting to watch yours evolve and change over the last 2 years or whatever it has been now. Looks like hella fun to play with! [/quote] Cheers dude, It is lots of fun. The joy of having all the foogers' is that it never ends as well. Feed a cable to a different input for a change and there's a whole new word of sounds! As I've always said - the doors always open to Basschatters that want to come and have a play!

[quote name='fattybassman' timestamp='1320925956' post='1433180'] yes mate that would be sweeet...just let us know where an when...me an arkell will be there. hope alls good [/quote] On it. Definately got a slot for you guys in the new year! Same goes your way too. Just say the word.

Love your stuff, fatty… Would be awesome to hook up a gig at some point. I'm sure Dan Owens band (The Broken Door) would be up for it too - Similar genres done in 3 different ways!

The only thing I found was that running it on a pedalboard (rather than atop my amp), th 1st pedal after it had to be buffered. If it was true bypass (my tuner for example), there was a huge pop when it's turned on and off. I moved my tunder to 2nd in the chain (after y octave pedal) and hey presto. Perfect. I'm thrilled to bits with mine

Arrived and has spent a solid day in use. FANTASTIC. Perfect tone, no signal drop out. Sits on my pedalboard & super light. I went for the pack version in the end. Happy with the decision. Swapped the straight jack on the lead from pack to bass for a right angle and I'm good to go. Very very impressed with the performance of it so far.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1320880422' post='1432832'] TBH the only use I make of it is to have an OC-2 either soloed or in parallel with other effects. But while it's only one thing it's a thing I do a lot, so it was necessary to replace the LS-2. [/quote] I'd use it for the same On the future toys list...

Hi Vicar, It will vary massively on the pedal. While many similar sounds can be achieved, the actual controls utilised are often not only different, but have totally different maximum/minimum points. I'd suggest listening to a few examples in the net, or trying a few in local stores. Pick one that has a tone that appeals to you and then work from there.

[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1320833811' post='1431924'] The LS-2 is fine unless you have a need for switching between both of its parallel effects loops and one single effect loop. It's got a lot of modes but that isn't one of them unfortunately, and that's why I had to replace mine with a bespoke pedal in the end. [/quote] That is something I would also like to be able to do - But can 'live' without - for now

Another easy-peasy transaction with Chris. Thanks bud!

Bought an EBS pre amp from this fine fellow. Easy transaction, great communication and well packed shipment from Germany. Very happy. Thanks bud! Shep

Another easy deal with Jake. Top man. Thanks dude

Happy to help bud. Again - things may be very different in your setup to mine, but those guidelines work for me. The most important thing is to enjoy it. I love building stuff up like this. The challenge of creating the perfect board has been enjoyable. Patching boards up and making things more efficient has become a bit of a hobby really [quote name='phil.i.stein' timestamp='1320858908' post='1432422'] that is the Rolls-Royce of the bass pedalboard world. good job. [/quote] Si - When you coming over for a play next. Soooooooooo many new toys since you came over to the studio last!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1320861107' post='1432479'] Nice! Are you quite sure you've got enough effects? [/quote] For now…

[quote name='RichF' timestamp='1320864834' post='1432547'] Hiya Shep, Good job! Can you say a bit more about the quote - tips, lessons learned, etc. My signal path's not a patch on yours but could you say a bit more about how to keep things clean?? Cheers, Rich [/quote] Hey dude, Yeah… Obviously everything depends on a million ifs and buts, plus is totally dependant on what gear you are using, but in my experience these would be my main points: 1. Spend some dosh and a top quality powering system. Something that regulates and filters etc etc. The fewer number of transformers in a line along a multi-plug extension block the better. At first glance they may not seem to add too much noise, but under the microscope they can often do funny things to the sound (especially in the recording environment!). My entire pedalboard is powered by 2 plugs. 1 for the MP-201 (as it requires AC not DC power) and 1 GigRig Generator running everything else, despite lots of different polarities and voltages. A system like that is expensive to tailor to a set up like mine but what it has done for signal noise etc is amazing to say the least! 2. Have a buffered pedal (Boss pedals are perfect for this - and are what I use!) as the first and last pedal in the chain. I'm sure others will explain this in a more technical way, but having a buffer first removes lots of popping etc in the signal chain and having one last takes a lot of noise out that is other wise amplified. This may not be an issue on smaller signal chains with different impedance, but on mine, sticking a true bypass pedal the start makes all the true bypass pedals pop, and having one at the end adds unwanted hiss to the signal. 3. Keep Audio cables as short and tidy as possible. Again, expense is involved, but moving to George L's to every lead is cut to length as opposed to using piles of pre-made 30, 40, 50cm cables has likely saved me about 6ft (if not more) of cable run around the board. More cable = more 'chance' of signal degradation and more cable surface to find interference etc etc. i run the cables in looms and cable tie them together to they run around as 'one' 4. Keep power cables separate. That is, 9v DC cables etc to your pedals will always lay along side each other and along the audio chain, but where possible don't tie them into the same 'loom' as the audio patch cables. Also, try and keep any mains cables (eg. from the multi adapter to the wall) running from the board in the opposite direction to the lead running to the amp (or at least not along side each other). Most cables are insulated so you'll never have any issues, but every room, plug socket and cable is different so I do this as habit now. 5. Any noisy pedals (those which always hiss etc but are too good to leave from the board) should be kept in true bypass loop (preferably one made with pull-down resistors) so they can be switched out of the chain completely when not in use, rather than just turned off. Although they unwanted noise may seem to be gone when the pedals are off, noisy pedals still usually add or subtract something from the chain. Also worth noting that 'most' (not all) noisy pedals can often be cleaned up with more efficient powering. 6. Learn your pedals traits inside & out and try every possible signal chain order you can. Some pedals interact with others in ways you wouldn't expect. The Moogerfoogers for example have always active gain controls, so each drives the next pedal in line. I have 5 in a row so by the time you get to the 5th one its being overdriven, as is every pedal after. SOme have higher gain than others but by spending 6 months trying different orders I understand the characteristics of each and have a gain balance that means nothing ever peaks - unless I want it to. In relation to this, if you know your setup and how things interact it also means that when something doesn't sound right you can usually pin point what it is very quickly. 7. Finally, forget the 'you need true bypass to preserve your tone' rubbish. Following the above points has allowed me to preserve 95% of my original tone, even though very little in my set up is true bypass. In fact, most noise issues tend to come from true bypass (I think EBS_Freak would agree here!) in my expereince. Buffered pedals, arranged and powered correctly can be very effective at delivering a pure signal. Shep

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1320862617' post='1432500'] That has to be one of (if not THE) tidiest board I've ever seen. Now we need to hear what it can do! [/quote] Yeah - I got a bit obsessive with the cable runs and the power distributors. I still think it can be a little neater under the bridge where you can't see (midi and CV into the MP-201) but I need to resist tidying stuff that doesn't need to be tidied!

I would suggest contacting either Max @ SFX (Silent Fly) or Umph, they may be able to help providing some schematic can be found. Umph modified a EHX micro synth for me and an expression pedal to control the cutoff - I expect the same principles are involved.

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1320861055' post='1432476'] i see! kinda like you'd notice but an audience would not!? andy [/quote] Exactly. That's the perfect way to put it. As an audiophile you'd notice a little and if you could A/B the signal youd notice a tiny volume drop, but my 1400W crown power amp has plenty of juice to spare...

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1320859640' post='1432442'] nice! is there any signal loss after going thru all the pedals? andy [/quote] There is a slight volume drop compared to going into the amp directly and I'd say a very slight loss of bottom end 'clarity'. The changes are very slight though, and for me, no worry as I don't use a clean bass tone EVER, plus the EQ I use on the amp is extreme (big boost of 50hz). I've spent a lot of time and money getting the signal path as clean as possible.

Sorted rig... Barefaced Big Twin T EBS 1v2 Preamp Crown XTi 1000 Power amp Roscoe Century 3006 Fretless Bass Monster synth-bass pedalboard of doom [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/1242493f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/78497c81.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/afb70b10.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/c87580c2.jpg[/IMG] Apologies for the iPhone camera quality. I'll take my decent SLR to the studio tomorrow and get some better pics!

Final results - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/289-post-your-pedal-board-basschat-style/page__view__findpost__p__1432369

Finally I can update on here. Custom board done! Here it is in all it's beauty, fully up an running (just need 1 more adapter from GigRig to get the Cluster Flux on the same supply). I'm now running wireless as well so there are only 3 cables leaving the board at any point. Lead to the amp, power for the board & a midi cable for the tempo on my tremolo. I've also gone wireless IEM for my metronome feed meaning no cables running to me and that's made it SOOOOOOOOO much easier to move around and tweak stuff... [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/6162950e.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/1b259567.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/898418ee.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/f15e47c1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/5e9b585f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/1a77dc50.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/5971e274.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/64fca545.jpg[/IMG] There's been an awful lot of guidance from the Basschat community, Dan@GigRig, Mal@GR Cases, Alex@Barefaced, Amos & Steve D@Moog Music and Gard@Roscoe Guitars when it comes to getting all this to come together, making it noise free, and most of all retaining my monster tone throughout the signal chain. Cheers folks! The full set up for live & studio... [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/c87580c2.jpg[/IMG]

Hi John, Point taken. There's moved to Amps & Cabs and a link to it left in the Effects forum. After a few searches there has been some discussion in the past about the SWR pedal being non-standard (or rather complaints) meaning folk have had to invest in the SWR pedal as other expression and volume pedals have not worked. I'm certain most expression pedals could be modded to work the same (if the SWR pedal can't be obtained) and can suggest a couple of basschatters that may be able to modify it too!

Because that's what was available at the time and the general census seemed to be 'it would make no difference'.

Solved. As above. Using a mono cable was all that was needed!