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[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1320862617' post='1432500'] That has to be one of (if not THE) tidiest board I've ever seen. Now we need to hear what it can do! [/quote] Yeah - I got a bit obsessive with the cable runs and the power distributors. I still think it can be a little neater under the bridge where you can't see (midi and CV into the MP-201) but I need to resist tidying stuff that doesn't need to be tidied!

I would suggest contacting either Max @ SFX (Silent Fly) or Umph, they may be able to help providing some schematic can be found. Umph modified a EHX micro synth for me and an expression pedal to control the cutoff - I expect the same principles are involved.

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1320861055' post='1432476'] i see! kinda like you'd notice but an audience would not!? andy [/quote] Exactly. That's the perfect way to put it. As an audiophile you'd notice a little and if you could A/B the signal youd notice a tiny volume drop, but my 1400W crown power amp has plenty of juice to spare...

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1320859640' post='1432442'] nice! is there any signal loss after going thru all the pedals? andy [/quote] There is a slight volume drop compared to going into the amp directly and I'd say a very slight loss of bottom end 'clarity'. The changes are very slight though, and for me, no worry as I don't use a clean bass tone EVER, plus the EQ I use on the amp is extreme (big boost of 50hz). I've spent a lot of time and money getting the signal path as clean as possible.

Sorted rig... Barefaced Big Twin T EBS 1v2 Preamp Crown XTi 1000 Power amp Roscoe Century 3006 Fretless Bass Monster synth-bass pedalboard of doom [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/1242493f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/78497c81.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/afb70b10.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/c87580c2.jpg[/IMG] Apologies for the iPhone camera quality. I'll take my decent SLR to the studio tomorrow and get some better pics!

Final results - http://basschat.co.uk/topic/289-post-your-pedal-board-basschat-style/page__view__findpost__p__1432369

Finally I can update on here. Custom board done! Here it is in all it's beauty, fully up an running (just need 1 more adapter from GigRig to get the Cluster Flux on the same supply). I'm now running wireless as well so there are only 3 cables leaving the board at any point. Lead to the amp, power for the board & a midi cable for the tempo on my tremolo. I've also gone wireless IEM for my metronome feed meaning no cables running to me and that's made it SOOOOOOOOO much easier to move around and tweak stuff... [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/6162950e.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/1b259567.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/898418ee.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/f15e47c1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/5e9b585f.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/1a77dc50.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/5971e274.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/64fca545.jpg[/IMG] There's been an awful lot of guidance from the Basschat community, Dan@GigRig, Mal@GR Cases, Alex@Barefaced, Amos & Steve D@Moog Music and Gard@Roscoe Guitars when it comes to getting all this to come together, making it noise free, and most of all retaining my monster tone throughout the signal chain. Cheers folks! The full set up for live & studio... [IMG]http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h44/pantherairsoft/Amp%20Cab%20Pedals/c87580c2.jpg[/IMG]

Hi John, Point taken. There's moved to Amps & Cabs and a link to it left in the Effects forum. After a few searches there has been some discussion in the past about the SWR pedal being non-standard (or rather complaints) meaning folk have had to invest in the SWR pedal as other expression and volume pedals have not worked. I'm certain most expression pedals could be modded to work the same (if the SWR pedal can't be obtained) and can suggest a couple of basschatters that may be able to modify it too!

Because that's what was available at the time and the general census seemed to be 'it would make no difference'.

Solved. As above. Using a mono cable was all that was needed!

John, I've removed the post in amps & cabs. No need for it to be everywhere. If someone has the answer then they can post it here. It's is an Overdrive here after all. I'm not familiar with the unit. Does is have a. Exp' input? That will tell you if it's expression co Patible after all! Shep

One of the most useful pedals around. I've heard talk of them being noisy and sucking tone, but I'm happy to report that mine doesn't. Takes a while to get to grips with all the possibilities it can handle. Awesome bit of kit. Everyone should have one to hand.

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1320762399' post='1430990'] haha. Fingers crossed. Shame you can't just borrow another power amp. Could Nottingham PA lend you one quickly - they are just downstairs from you. [/quote] Chris - That ain't a bad thought dude! Never thought to pop in and see John. Little more discussion with Dan @ GigRig and he seems pretty confident that the Stereo cable is the issue. I'll find out in the morning, But as I understand, the Preamp has a left and right out and should take a MONO output from either. In the words of Dan - "trs is where the problem is, if the earth from the output is where the ring is, then you’ll have no ground to the power amp, open circuit, buzz…….." If it's that easy, I'll be a happy man.

[quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1320762212' post='1430983'] I could be wrong, but I don't think that disconnection of the ground on an XLR is dangerous - otherwise why would all DI boxes / DI outputs etc allow this. Don't confuse this with disconnecting the ground on a mains lead - this IS dangerous, since if there is a fault and there is no earth on a piece of equipment (which would be the case if the lead had no earth), the metal case would become live. So, try it - as long as it is a signal lead and not mains, you will be fine. [/quote] Oh yeah! That makes sense. Can you tell I studied English Literature & Theatre as opposed to anything technical

[quote name='Sjonnie' timestamp='1320761316' post='1430959'] [url="http://www.crownaudio.com/amp_htm/ampfaqnew.htm"]Some background info[/url] (look for: How can I get rid of the noise in my system?) TRS versus TS cables will probably not make a difference (with the emphasis on probably), disconnecting ground from the XLR cable should. [/quote] But disconnecting the ground is potentially dangerous...

Dan & GigRig has suggested it sounds as though something is open circuit and acting as a radio. His 1st suggestion would also be (as other above have suggested) changing the cable from Pre - Power amp, and pointed out the fact that using TRS for this is not necessary. Another check added to my list for the mornings hunt!

[quote name='Soliloquy' timestamp='1320708889' post='1430497'] It sounds like the pedal power supply. I'm not a million moles from you, about 30 or so, you're welcome to come over and try using my power amp. [/quote] It does sound like the pedal power supply - but I've put that supply and board through so many poor venues (that make other musicians gear go crazy) with no noise at all. It has performed flawlessly. Annoying that interaction with 1 bit of kit causes this! I'm currently without transport (bit of a pain), but if I sort that before I sort the issue here I'll be happy to take you up on your offer.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1320707182' post='1430471'] Some pointers - Make sure your pre/power amp are running off the same plug as the board so they have a common earth. Take your pre/power amp out of the rack and make sure they aren't touching. Humfrees can help with getting proper isolation within the rack. Make sure you have a buffered pedal last in your chain - something like a Boss pedal. This is similar to an audio transformer and you may have one lying around. In my experience true bypass causes more problems than it's worth. A good buffered pedal > true bypass. Unplug your board and add one pedal at a time to your signal path... see if there is a problematic pedal and see if moving the position in the chain makes things better. Ensure that all your interconnects are good and properly screened. [/quote] Cool. They are currently running from the same socket. I'll try taking them out of the rack to see if that helps - its on my check list! I do have a buffered pedal last (Boss DD-20) I tried a number of pedals earlier and it did not seem to matter what pedals were powered, more that the pedal power supply was on. I'll try this in more detail on Wednesday All interconnects are George L's. Connections seem fine when not used with this amp, and I have had a little wiggle of each one, but given the size of my board, swapping 1 cable out at a time is a days work, so I have not had the chance to do this in depth.

The cable I'm using is a TRS - XLR. I'll try a TS-XLR, however I'd of thought, as mentioned already that surely I'd get the hum without the pedalboard if it was down to amp cabling? I'll add that to my list of stuff to try on Wednesday though

Ha. Don't worry - no wires will be disconnected! I'll investigate the input transformer. For £19 I imagine it being a useful tool in the spares box even of it doesn't solve this particular issue. Trying to isolate racks from each other is easy to do without spending anything to start with - ill just physically separate them outside of the rack to try and eliminate the issue. As for sorting our rehearsal room out - its a prehistoric building with even older wiring. In the past I've had lots of problems with effects pedals. Once I moved over to the GigRig Generator system and stopped having load of power supplies etc it all cleaned up and I've had no issues since. It's a shoddy building though.

Unfortunately not. There is a ground lift in the DI out of the EBS Pre - but not on the general amp side of things.

Would issues with cabling etc not be a constant issue? As opposed to just when interacting with a specific other piece of equipment? I'll try it all the same on Wednesday, just asking out of curiosity.

[quote name='BassBod' timestamp='1320698940' post='1430315']Don't worry - the Orchid stuff is very good quality and not exactly expensive (£19 for an inline transformer). Send John an email describing your equipment and symptoms...he'll have some ideas.[/quote] Email on its way! [quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1320699304' post='1430325']Email crown too.[/quote] I've posted on the crown forums, which seem to have regular input from Crown tech folk. [quote name='nottswarwick' timestamp='1320699470' post='1430329']Also try each pedal separately[/quote] I've tried that. It seems to be related to the power supply running the board. Everything other than 1 unit is powered from a GigRig Modular Power System/Generator. As long as the board is powered the noise is there. Doesn't matter what's powered. I can't get the GigRig to induce any hum or noise to the signal chain in any other circumstances though or with another amp.

I'll check out the hum free stuff - its just frustrating that without the board there is no hum? I'll try the effects in the loop when at the studio on Wednesday but I hate the way many effects sound in a loop - given I've spent months refining the sounds in conjunction with it being Pre EQ I'm eager to not have to go down that route! I'm certainly not in a position to invest in additional audio processing equipment. This was an expensive move as it was.

They are before the Pre amp... Bass - pedalboard - preamp - poweramp Based on the same principle of running it before a 'regular' bass amp. I've never ran it though an effects loop as I want it 'effected' by my EQ settings.