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Can happen for any of a number of health/diet related causes too. I used to get it a lot when I was younger but the only injury I ever suffered that might have caused it was a finger dislocation when I was about 14. Most likely a medical coincidence and not related to your bass playing at all.

Never heard of it before but looks good - a handy variation on the lemon oil method.

[quote name='Smythe' timestamp='1467960343' post='3087525'] Lemon oil is literally mineral oil (wd40) with an added lemon scent, [/quote] No it isn't. We've covered this one already (post #18 on the previous page), and it's now starting to get a bit tedious: [url="http://www.essentialoils.co.za/essential-oils/lemon.htm"]http://www.essential...-oils/lemon.htm[/url] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh7bA1Ou_1k"]https://www.youtube....h?v=hh7bA1Ou_1k[/url] While we're at it, wd40 isn't mineral oil. It's precise formulation is a trade secret; it contains mineral oils among it's ingredients - sort of, but other stuff as well. (It's not fish oil either BTW.) [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40[/url] [url="http://wd40.com/cool-stuff/myths-legends-fun-facts"]http://wd40.com/cool...gends-fun-facts[/url]

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1467782140' post='3086128'] I'd get hold of say a beatles or abba greatest hits, or a hits of the 60s/70s type thing and work through it, the bass is a lot easier to pick out on most pop songs than most rock or metal. [/quote] Agreed. It's a very common beginner's mistake to aim too high. Learn to walk first.

Actually there's several benefits to using a x-over with a sub (and while I'm at it - and with my pedant's hat on - a phase switch doesn't eliminate phase issues, it justs shifts them to a different frequency so they - hopefully - don't get in the way so much), but as I say it's your system bud. If it works for you then it's job done.

Just a thought: It's your system and your money, but the whole point of subs is to take the extreme bottom end away from the tops. If you just plumb your sub into the Aux out then you're not doing that (and hence are losing the whole reason for having it at all); and unless you set the system up very carefully you could get phase cancellation as well (which will have the net result of actually losing deep bass output instead of enhancing it). Do you want the sub to do the job it's there to do, or do you just want to be able to tell people you have a sub in your system?

Another way you could do it: Any decent active sub should have a built-in X-over. Bypass the mixer power section & run a (stereo) line-level signal to the sub. Use the highpass O/Ps from the sub to an external (stereo) power amp that can then feed the tops. PA systems normally run in mono so even though you're using a stereo signal path it should be fine. Or you could just run it in mono anyway and feed the tops as normal with the power amp set up for mono operation. I would routinely go stereo but that's just me I suspect.

Indeed.

[quote name='Maude' timestamp='1467135959' post='3081430'] Old engine oil saved from your cars last oil change with transform a common rosewood board into an ebony-esque thing of beauty. [/quote] [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hooO64dQc"][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5hooO64dQc[/media][/url]

Just waded halfway through the George Benson session. He did a short gig (which was great); everything since has been awful. He actually said at one point "This not about me: it's about you guys." In truth nothing thus far has been remotely about the candidates at all. It's been padded out with footage from a separate film about Benson's career, and the seminar session was just an embarrassment. Very disappointed and have turned it off. I have to believe that the other sessions will be more about the candidates than the mentors.

[quote name='samhay' timestamp='1466081799' post='3073235'] Lemon oil is predominantly limonene - this stuff: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonene"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limonene[/url] - which is not acidic. This is also a primary ingedient in orange and lime oil (which does exist). The stuff that makes citrus fruit acidic is citric acid. You aren't likely to find appreciable amounts of this in lemon oil. [/quote] Sounds right to me. It does have the ability to dissolve exactly the kind of gunk you might find on a guitar fretboard though, which would certainly explain it's popularity in that role. Smells rather nice too. ETA: It's probably worth making the extra point that citric acid is non-corrosive anyway.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1466014630' post='3072850'] Slightly serious question. Why no lime oil? [/quote] Not sure really. It seems to have very similar properties to lemon oil (and orange oil too, which is used). Could be cost - all these oils are very expensive to produce. Maybe lemon oil is just more effective in that type of application. It could be something as simple as the aroma.

[quote name='Damonjames' timestamp='1465991692' post='3072638'] Poor Becky.... Lol [/quote] The girl done good. Doesn't matter what we think, the judges liked it!

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1465990332' post='3072615'] Is it still OK to use if for squeaky lemons ? [/quote] I send Mrs. LBM to work every morning with a metal flask full of lemon water. The flask hasn't melted and Mrs. LBM comes home every evening, so I think you'll be ok.

[quote name='lee650' timestamp='1465990750' post='3072619'] I used Lemon oil for years and did find that it could dry out quickly,so id have to apply more often. [/quote] I suspect that part of the function of the mineral oil in the recipe I was given is to help prevent that. I don't know for sure since I'm not a chemist, but makes sense because drying out was never an issue for me.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1465989717' post='3072605'] Sounds even worse to put an acidic oil on wood that may be a good de greaser or whatever and then overtime let it eat away any fret glue or to mix it with a petroleum product and have some sort of gunk going on. No thanks. Of course that would be an extreme reaction but no way no would I put anything remotely acidic on a fretboard I can only imagine the havoc it could cause a very dry vintage fretboard. [/quote] I'm not entirely clear.. are you conceding that lemon oil is different from scented mineral oil (which was your original argument and the source of your derogatory comments) or not? While I'm here, it occurs to me that your notion of acidity is slightly at odds with mine. You do understand that there's different degrees of acidity I presume? You also understand that not all acids are corrosive in the way you seem to think? I've been using this stuff for well over 20 years: I've never had frets corrode. Or fall out. Or indeed do anything other than what they were put there to do. I've had it in contact with my skin over long periods of time (and so have my students). Last time I looked (a few seconds ago) all my fingers looked as well as can be expected from a man my age, and I never had any complaints from any of my students on that score. Here's an article that might help: [url="http://www.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_examples_of_weak_acids_and_weak_bases"]http://www.answers.com/Q/What_are_some_examples_of_weak_acids_and_weak_bases[/url] You're welcome. Serious point: if you don't want to put anything on your fretboard, that's entirely up to you. The information I provided above is correct, and changing the subject ain't gonna change that. When you've availed yourself of the relevant facts, perhaps we can talk about this again.

I wonder if this might be a good time to distinguish between the necessity of fretboard treatments and their desirability. As to whether fretboard treatment products are necessary, well clearly opinion is divided. Be that as it may, good fretboard treatments do have a positive influence on the instrument, in terms both of playability and appearance (leaving aside their benefits to the wood - most would agree they do benefit the wood - the argument would seem to be about whether such benefits are necessary in order to enhance the longevity of the instrument). During my days as a tutor I regularly got various kinds of minor maintenance work on students' guitars - restrings, cleaning, minor setup work, etc. The brew that I referred to upthread was very good at cleaning up dirty fretboards - it gave the wood finish a bit of extra lustre and made it feel a bit nicer to play, and was very good for cleaning out the gunge that had invariably accumulated either side of the frets. It also did an excellent job of brightening up the frets themselves, making sideways movement of strings across frets a little bit smoother (this may not mean much to a lot of bass players, but techniques such as string bending and sideways vibrato are a key element in pretty much any electric guitarist's technique; clean frets are easier to move across than dirty ones.) So, is it necessary? Debatable. Is it beneficial? IME and IMO, yes, definitely.

[quote name='ribbetingfrog' timestamp='1465983633' post='3072554'] So for me, it's gone from last years most boring programme ever to this years bit on the dull side. [/quote] Se... progress! I do know what you mean about the presentation format though; all a bit po-faced, and if I had to be critical I'd say that George Benson - the great George Benson - looked like somebody waiting for the filming to end so he could collect his cheque and bugger off back to the hotel. Probably unfair, but that's how it looked. Another point that might be worth making is that for the players - some of whom are pretty clearly still at school - it would have been quite a high-pressure situation. If your mates are that good in such a situation then let's see 'em! Perhaps you could post up some youTube links...? Or perhaps PM me with some details...? Not wishing to appear overly sceptical, but I always get a bit wary when I hear somebody say 'I know somebody who... ' etc., etc. My response is this: Bully for them, but the people we did see were selected from those who made the effort to apply. If your mates are really too good for shows like this then (unless they're working pros already - in which case the show would be an irrelevance anyway) I wish them the best of luck in their future careers. Perhaps the great unwashed will have the pleasure and the privilege of seeing them in the flesh someday.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1465946354' post='3072436'] The guy must be a right!. As lemon oil is scented mineral oil haha! So your just wasting your time. [/quote] 'Fraid not: Extract from a Wikipedia article on lemons and lemon oil (as in 'oil from lemon peel'): [quote][i]The oil of the lemon's peel also has various uses. It is used as a wood cleaner and polish, where its solvent property is employed to dissolve old wax, fingerprints, and grime[/i].[/quote] Here's the main article:[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon[/url] Extract from a Wikipedia article on mineral oil (sometimes called liquid paraffin): [quote][i]A [b]mineral oil[/b] is any of various colorless, odorless, light mixtures of [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higher_alkanes"]higher alkanes[/url] from a [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral"]mineral[/url] source, particularly a distillate of [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum"]petroleum[/url][/i] [/quote] ... and here's the main article for this one: [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil"]https://en.wikipedia...iki/Mineral_oil[/url] I don't doubt that some of the stuff marketed as 'lemon oil' is in fact scented mineral oil - who knows, it may even have had some actual lemon oil in it's general vicinity at some point in it's production - but genuine lemon oil is oil extracted from lemon peel. The clue is in the name. Have a nice day. ETA: Forgot to mention that the main reason genuine lemon oil doesn't get used much is that it is very expensive. I bought mine around 20 years ago - a 250 ml bottle was considerably more expensive than the litre of light mineral oil I bought at the same time. Whatever people might want to say about it's use, the simple fact is that lemon oil has long been known about and used as an agent for treating wood, and it is still widely used (admittedly in very small quantities) in wood-treatment products to this day.

Becky was excellent. Got through to the last 8 over another very good female acoustic player (who I actually preferred at the time - no offence intended ). The standard was very high though, with a couple of outstanding classical players (one of whom was all of 14! ), a good young rock player, an excellent old blues player with a guitar that looked like he'd pulled it out of a skip - fabulous tone though - and a couple of jazz guitarists (I actually have my eye on one of them to win the competition). The judges were an impressive lineup too - Tony Visconti, George Benson and Milos (who I'd barely heard of even though he was involved last year, but very big in Classical guitar circles apparently).

[quote name='ahpook' timestamp='1465935607' post='3072313'] Somewhere else, thanks. [/quote] Errr, right, okay. Thanks for letting us know, I think.

They've changed the format quite a lot. Very high standard though. At least one very good acoustic player was unlucky to miss out I felt. Looking forward to seeing how it develops.

[quote name='Damonjames' timestamp='1465934105' post='3072294'] One of my colleague's daughter is in this years show and has done quite well, she is fantastic! [/quote] What did she do?