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[quote name='Rich' post='556080' date='Jul 30 2009, 12:39 PM']Glad you've got your dosh back and a favourable result. BUT. I feel uneasy about the whole idea of eBay telling you to keep the bass. You're getting a full refund, and yes he should be paying all postage costs and so on, there's no way you should be out of pocket, but for eBay to deprive the guy of his property? Surely only a court should be able to do that? I don't like the idea at all. [i]*dons flameproof underpants, awaits flood of "bollox, the bastid's getting what he deserves" replies*[/i][/quote] The guy has been paid so it is EBay's property to give. She didn't lose out. I did take Police advice on this (although my own law knowledge is good) and this is predominately a civil transaction. The seller never made any criminal admissions. Should the EBay fraud team gain any additional info such investigations are passed to Police but what we don't want is an already over stretched Police force running around investigating complex internet scams that are very hard to prove in a criminal court. By taking ownership & footing the bill EBay are also committing themselves to make the site a safer one. I for one would be more than happy to assist any investigation, be it civil or criminal. Despite all this I would much rather have had a the original genuine article & none of this rubbish!

The guitar one has dropped price wise so I'll be waiting a fair while before even thinking about this one.

OK - Although it felt longer this has been resolved relatively quickly. EBay have footed the bill as a company & I have received a full refund. The seller is blocked (although I've since seen some over priced Squiers advertised slightly more honestly from a different seller - Hmmn!) with their fraud team looking at them and the refund comes from EBay so there is no comeback on me. Sweet! Oh & the fake bass is officially mine for me to keep or dispose of as I see fit. Pretty good customer service from EBay I'm sure you'd agree? They did mis-quote the refund date twice but the main thing is I've not lost out. I won't be selling the Frauder Precision (get it?) and I'm much happier with the situation. A shame though that in 700 safe transactions there is always one idiot who can potentially ruin what is otherwise a safe place to shop. Cheers for all the interest and support BB

They do look great. A bit above my price range for what it is though

I remember the Westone Thunder 1A bass from school and it was a really solid bit of kit. Great tone, good price and decent. I'd pay £199 for a good one

I had an Epiphone Flying V a few years ago that was rubbish on many levels so I flogged it on. I prefer the look of that one but that says very little. Had anyone heard of Noz apart from his immediate family?

I'm very set in my ways & like traditional looks in all musical equipment. Each to their own though

I try not to regret any sales. There was a nice Jazz that went once & my old Vox amp but I'd moved on so no regrets. If it ain't getting played, it goes!

I support my local shop a lot (ask the wife!) but I'm not afraid to buy online IF you know what you are looking for! My local shop sets up instruments & I don't think Dawsons always do. Some online retailers are better than others so do your homework & it's fine

Burns (early days, not now)

Me! Wasn't Sting's a 54 with the cutaway?

At least his reply gives you more of an answer than you could ever have hoped for!?! I've sold a dozen plus basses and never had any haggling. The closest I got was my old Jazz bass where the buyer noticed a small dink I'd not spotted. I was genuinely horrified as I pride myself on being honest. I offered to knock a tenner off, he was happy & I was happy.

I'm not quite sure but I know it's got Ampeg written on it!

EBay have now withdrawn the seller's account. Silddx - I too think I am pretty diplomatic as a rule and I think large companies can have blanket policies that sometimes don't always apply. From my point of view I've entered into a transaction seemingly honestly and been stiffed over. Now I am simply following instructions. I don't especially want a civil court case but they are welcome to try. I just wish I'd never bought the thing! I assure you all it's sitting in the box untouched and I'm getting no pleasure from any of this.

It's predominately a civil matter not a Police matter & I don't think there is any immediate threat here at this time. The seller may start sending funny messages but I don't want to speculate. Also it's not a theft if I keep the money / item as the legal defination of theft includes "dishonest appropriation" - there is no dishonesty if you have been told by EBay that you are within your rights to keep the item. I wonder if perhaps EBay won't be chasing the seller? I think where this goes wrong is that I've had pretty poor communication from EBay. If all of there actions were explained I'd probably be a little more relaxed with the situation.

I'm not a Maiden fan but this bass does have eveything I like right down to the SD pup. CIJ stuff has moved in line with other Fender products so I'm with Clarky on this one. Give it a year & the second hand market will have a few of these, I reckon

[quote name='silddx' post='549980' date='Jul 24 2009, 11:25 AM']Call me a paranoid git, but they have your address. What's to stop them sending round "The Guv'nor" to recover the bass by "gentle persuasion"?[/quote] Yep, I think some people put a positive spin on this whole situation too quickly!

[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='549845' date='Jul 24 2009, 10:19 AM']I actually meant, why have *you* not added negative feedback which might warn others?[/quote] D'oh! Sorry. I was working lates last night so I tend to be a zombie the next morning. I plan to the second that this is resolved. Also, I phoned EBay this morining (having now received a message from the seller sounding genuine "send it back for a full refund" etc). I phoned EBay and they say 1) refund still stands, 2) Don't communicate with the seller, 3) Don't return item - it could be used again to rip someone off & 4) They are sorry I've had this experience. I felt it was the ethical thing to mention that seller was now trying to be reasonable (although in the back of my mind I suspect this is because EBay have started to make things difficult - so it may not be genuine). If EBay had said return it, I would have been guided by them OR if they had said go with trying to now communicate I would. They said neither.

Oh and 23 of the feedbacks are as a seller - the rest are as a buyer so it's maybe not quite so impressive as my last post suggests

[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='549774' date='Jul 24 2009, 09:41 AM']So, unless I am missing something, why no negative feedback?[/quote] This was one of my reasons for buying in the first place. However all the feedback is for smaller items like books and DVDs and suddenly in the last week they seem to be the bass specialist (6 instruments sold or for sale). It's a fair amount of 100%'s so I readily accept this as genuine BUT the fact remains that I've been sent a fake (knowingly or otherwise) and my £25 for next day specialist Royal Mail delivery got me a Royal Mail 48hr stamped box. In terms of why we've gone from an honest seller dealing in small items a year ago to what I have now, I can only speculate. I don't want this current situation and nor did I invite it.

I tried one the other week & I wasn't impressed. I had a LOT of background hiss & a poor breaking up sound. The guitar ones are better.

Thanks for the replies, especially Prosebass for the detail which may prove useful to other Basschatters as well. Oh & Soulfinger wins the "Spot the delibrate mistake" with the Sellers other listing (which EBay have now suspended 29hrs after I raised this! Sadly I share Warwickhunts doubts as to how simple this will be to go away. I'll phone EBay in the morning as the free bass & money option didn't seem right. Watch this space as I'm sure I'll be posting again on this thread.

[quote name='Sibob' post='548740' date='Jul 23 2009, 11:43 AM']Just out of interest, did you remove the neck to see if there was a serial number there? Si[/quote] No, I don't need to. Aside the fact that not one single Basschatter has spoken up in defence of this being genuine it simply isn't an official CIJ product. There are simply too many differences. I currently own 2 CIJ basses, I've previously owned 2 more and I've played a stack more of others. I wasn't prepared to tamper with the product in any way. I suspect this is still far from over (I've had no email confirmation of the call & the seller is still selling) so I've won the latest round. I appreciate all the messages of support from everyone over the last 24hrs - especially as I'm a relative newbie compared to most.

UPDATE - I've had a fairly lengthy call with EBay and I've explained the differences in the product received and the one bought. I also mentioned the fact I paid £25 for a 24 rapid despatch only to receive a box with Royal Mail 24 on it a week later (this was the moment I seemed to win them over!). After being on hold for a couple of minutes whilst the girl spoke with a supervisor I've now been informed that I will get a full refund from EBay within 3 working days and I can keep the item received. I don't wish to celebrate until I get my money back but in theory it seems like a right result! Interestingy the seller still has a bass for sale so EBay need to get their act together a little quicker before some other poor sap gets fleeced.