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The third Battles Show is up and running on Youtube, here's some stuff: [b]Beyonce - Rollin' On The River[/b] [b]Ce Lo Green - Crazy[/b] PS I'm more than proud to announce, that, during Final Live Shows we're gonna have a few cool guests on the show, that we're hopefully gonna play with: It's Marlon Roudette ("Mattafix") and "The Voice Of Holland" 2011 winner Ben Saunders among many others. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkDb8dAdqTc&feature=related[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p3lP3l6sro&feature=related[/media]

Just got the EB JR Volume Pedal from Andy - Andy's just a top bloke, great to chat with, and that EB pedal is in excellent condition. Thanks!!! Laimis

Well, there was a discussion on getting jazz gigs when you play db and when you're not - I see as much justice in this, as I see in sax player not doing clarinet, and that's what I'm gonna tell him, next time I'm asked why I don't do double bass. (I get this question from sax/trumpet players all the time)

For f*cks sake, +11111111111111 to what Alun said, especially on listening with eyes and booking guitards that don't do banjo (ok, at least a hollow-body).

All of the examples sounded fine to me, except that Birdland thing, which was pretty terrible bass wise. one O'clock Jump was played relatively slower by Basie, that's where the difference kicks in. Still, to me, this whole 'bass doesnt swing it, and db does' just doesnt make any sense, as think, that it's the human-element that makes things different, not the instruments and their timbres. Who's that guy on the bass on Got a Match - is that Tom Kennedy (sorry,I'm not too keen on him, but his bass reminds me of him)

Well, add some 100-150 bpm to the tempo, and you'll get a "Got A Match" kind of thing, which, according to Bilbo, 'doesnt swing'. I'm kind of lost, what the heck is being discussed there, and what 'swing' is actually taken for.

Thanks for the input, guys! So, to sum up, the "must-have's" are: Tuner, Line Selector (for doubling) DI Box My bass doesnt have a low B,though it's a fiver, so I don't need a Thumpinator, but it seems an option for those who do. As for any other stuff - as I suppose, some drive grit can be taken via DI Box (like Sansamp or EBS Microbass), so separate drive pedals dont seem to be needed. Doddy, why would you need to have a passive DI box - does that make much difference for sound-techs between active DI and this? (sorry I aint much of a tech) easy L

[quote name='GreeneKing' timestamp='1331642264' post='1576331'] Sorry but I wasn't trying to be pretentious In my own personal opinion, an electric bass can't substitute for a double bass in some musical forms because it's a very different sounding instrument. The notes may be the same but the timbre (the correct musical term btw) is quite different. It's not down to how well an electric bass is played either, it could as well be a bloody harpsichord as it doesn't fit the musical form, in my opinion of course. One of the video's above demonstrated this perfectly. The same of course applies the other way. It's not pretentious to suggest that a db wouldn't sound right in 'London's Burning' for example? Peter [/quote] I'm truly sorry if my last post seemed a bit harsh, it wasnt pointed at you though, at all, Peter. I agree to a certain extent that db is more suitable thing for swing, but at this day and age, I think, we should worry more about content rather than aesthetics. As for myself - Rob, I can see what you're saying about being able to play a db - as I've said, I've experienced some odd moments myself with getting jazz gigs in the past, etc., but the main reason I refuse to play double bass (I've tried to learn it for some time in the past) is that my view on learning to play different instruments is that I either master it (to a certain extent), or I don't do it all. I've seen and heard way too many bad examples of people doubling on these two instruments, and moreover, I'd need another 24 hours in the day to truly learn the art of double bass, so I'll leave it at that. At the same time, I cant still see any justice in that, when a guy (let's say, guitar, or keys player) insists you to play a db on a jazz gig, when himself doesn't 'mind' a Fender Strat or Nord keyboard, which is not really 'suitable' if we're sticking to the right 'timbre' and 'tradition'. Don't you agree? easy L

I was gonna say the same thing then, if we're so 'dedicated' about having the right 'timbre' and the right swing', then we'd refuse to play with guitards that don't play hollow-bodies, piano players who don't play the 'real' piano (how about bringing one to the gig? ), and drummers that don't own one of these sweet kits: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Jazzing_orchestra_1921.png The [i]right [/i]timbre, oh yeah..

[quote name='Doddy' timestamp='1331584725' post='1575443'] Yeah that's Mike Pope.... ridiculously good player. [/quote] I thought his main job was to make preamps for Fodera....

Ffs, of course it does. As Doddy mentioned though, you don't wanna start learning from this, as it's way too complex - though, as a long-term goal (it takes years), you want to be able to play and think at these kind of tempos. Just look at Pope - he looks like he's having a walk in the park when playing the head with Corea, and then walking the line, and then he manages to pick his nose from time to time during his solo.... ok, well not really.. Pope must have spent thousand of hours working out this kind of stuff, so remember to take your time when working on stuff, and be patient - it's a path of a tortoise, not the hare. easy L

[quote name='steve-bbb' timestamp='1331565545' post='1574898'] imho i dont think electric walking bass lines get any better than this... [media]http://youtu.be/oHOSUEPsKFk[/media] [/quote] I believe that's Mike Pope doing it's thing? heck, what a monster....

I think this whole "if you gonna play Jazz, you HAVE to go DB way" is a bit of a bullshit in a sense, that it's pretty much all down to 'aesthetics' rather than the content - music. I mean, you can play electric, play upright - question is - does it gonna make other players in the band sound better, play better solos, comp better, etc? Of course, no. I'm not a new guy to the scene, and I know what you're saying about getting gigs - I've been in this situation myself, when I was called for a jazz gig by a sax player, and he asked me (I play only electric bass)- could you do this gig if [i]needed[/i]? I was - for sure, I can do it, but what do you mean by [i]"if needed"? [/i] He answered: Well, I called another guy first , who plays DB, but he aint sure if he can do that date, but I like the DB sound better, and if he'll agree on the gig, I'll pick him, I only wanted to have you as an [i]option B[/i]. This whole thing just made me smile - at the end, the DB guy agreed, but as I've said, it didnt enhance band's playing at all. As for Berlin - well, I mean, if one of world's truly greatest Jazz electric bass players can't swing, then who can? I think it's all pretty down to taste - Berlin's stuff might be arguable, his opinions on music might be too, but he could outplay all of us sitting under the table, so i'd just take it easy on him.

Cottle and Berlin are the right guys, as is the Steve Swallow. As for the topic of walking basslines, you shouldnt really restrict yourself to electric bass players, even if you don't really dig double bass thing at the moment - it's the material that's important (the music), not the tools that it's made by. Other thing - only listening to great cats' records won't make you play laser-sharp walking lines- if I were you, I'd go to www.joehubbardbass.com and snap a copy of his new book about Walking Basslines. It's probably the greathest method book on this I've seen so far - I'm actually near the finish of the book, and I can tell you it makes wonders to your playing if you really spend time with it. best- L

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhuw7ivccCY&list=UU34RErDKWerQx7YAhflWX-g&index=5&feature=plcp

Alert....!!!! Stuff has finally came up on Youtube, so sit back and enjoy.. First track's: [b]En Vogue - Free Your Mind[/b] (featuring some skanky Microkorg synth bass) Second: [b]Tina Turner - I Don't Wanna Lose You [/b](synth bass as well) Third: [b]The Cardigans - Lovefool[/b] (ACG Finn bass) [Warning - visual content might damage your eyes!!! ] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoXptLPcyo[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tb-Ilhhxifo&list=UU34RErDKWerQx7YAhflWX-g&index=2&feature=plcp[/media]

Guys, attention!!!! We had some insane battles on today's show, I can't wait till I bring you the best bits - I'm waiting till it's uploaded on Youtube.... Stay tuned!!!!! easy L

[quote name='deepbass5' timestamp='1331397000' post='1572371'] I think it is best to take a section at a time, break it down may be a phrase or even a bar or two. Use a metronome just to ensure you are dividing up the tied and dotted notes correctly. If you start reading it wrong your brain will keep throwing in the wrong phrase later. So learn it right slowly then speed it up. [/quote] Common mistake. Metronome will not prevent you from counting/playing it wrong, that's the main problem. What you want instead, is counting out loud (just like metronome: 1 - 2 -3 -4) and playing at the same time, but only after you get down the material out-of-time. It won't be easy - it's not supposed to be, but at the same time it will develop your internal time, and you'll always be able to go back and correct the mistake, unlike doing the same thing with metronome, which implies 'real-time'. easy L

The most complex part, as I assume, is how to make both straps adjustable. I wish someone had bought this, so I could snap the approx measurments or maybe even closer photos of the strap connection points, and how the adjustment system works. I searched talkbass for that, but there's little info, not to mention the DIY option. easy L

Ok, so here's a good pic, including a tension strap that connects the two straps - any idea if this would be hard to make yourself? - I assume, two Comfort Strapps would work, but what to take for the Tension strap (the connector strap, in other words), as it's really short? http://www.gruvgear.com/images/gallery-duostrap5.jpg easy L

Hey guys, For those who don't know what I'm talking about: http://www.gruvgear.com/duostrap-signature I've got one of those Comfort Strapp's, but as I'm used to play for hours, and it's just killing my shoulder - I've been looking at those double-straps that Damian Erskine 'invented' - they've been introduced at NAMM '12 via GruvGear, but I'm not really keen to pay nearly 200 bucks for a strap - well on paper they go for 150 dollars but let's not forget shipping and [import taxes?] from USA..... Has anyone tried to 'make' a DIY DuoStrap? I'm playing a singlecut bass, which makes it even more problematic, as I need a 'tension' strap to connect the two straps... I'm not much of a tech, but maybe I'd try to make something out of two Comfort Strapps, but I'm looking for some insight first thanks Laimis