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[quote name='Ou7shined' post='1101800' date='Jan 25 2011, 09:59 AM']It's beyond me how Hagstroms achieve the prices I've just seen. I have a body of one waiting for me to complete a refin on and it is honestly the closet thing to the proverbial plank (quite literally) I have ever seen. Also the 'tronics are shockingly poor and the pups are pish. Beyond retro styling pose factor I fail to see the attraction. [/quote] It's the Hendrix link in all likelihood. It has been claimed over and over again in various books that he had used a Hag 8 on Spanish Castle Magic and a couple of other songs from Axis Bold As Love. Simply listening to the tracks reveals this to be bollocks (if a Hagstrom is being played, it's Noel Redding who's playing it), but it's been repeated enough that the instruments have developed a mystique that they don't entirely deserve. Here's an example from Chris Welch's biography 'Hendrix': [quote]"In truth, guitars were probably Jimi's most precious possession. The theft of a favourite guitar was more of a tragedy than an inconvenience. He had about eight guitars including a Fender Stratocaster, Gibson Flying Angel, double neck six and twelve string Gibsons, a Rickenbacker bass and two eight string bass guitars. (He used an eight string bass on 'Spanish Castle Magic', and both models were made by Hagstrom of America.)"[/quote] I don't expect I need to point out that Welch clearly knew nothing about guitars.

[quote name='Stroopy121' post='1100751' date='Jan 24 2011, 01:26 PM']Greetings, I've spend the afternoon having a poke around for some random, obscure vintage basses. Found this guy and loved it, if it were a 4-string (and I wasn't so earth shatteringly broke) I'd buy the hell out of it! Hagstrom F-800 Had never heard of the make until now[/quote] That's a Hagstrom 8 string...

[quote name='TKenrick' post='1099141' date='Jan 22 2011, 10:28 PM']I recently lent a friend my beloved 80's P-bass for a recording session... Just had a call from him to inform me that he somehow managed to leave it on a train last night, and that the lost property office isn't staffed at weekends so I can't find out anything until Monday morning. It's going to be a long Sunday... Keep your fingers crossed Basschat![/quote] How confident are you that he's telling the truth?

[quote name='silddx' post='1098915' date='Jan 22 2011, 05:59 PM']We all are mate, all of us. It's just a matter of degree.[/quote] Oh, no doubt about that... we are all subject to the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect"]Dunning-Kruger effect[/url] to some extent, the more extreme examples usually having a psychiatric basis. I don't know if that's the case here, but if it was the case a thread like this isn't likely to be beneficial to him.

Okay, there appears to be some disparity between this guy's self perception and his actual ability. It's possible he's delusional, in which case I wonder if its fair to have a ten page thread of posts making fun of him?

[quote name='dlloyd' post='1098856' date='Jan 22 2011, 05:13 PM']Somebody from Ernie Ball said that the preamps had different components on their forum a few years ago... I can't remember the exact wording.[/quote] Thinking about it, it may have been the SR5 vs the SUB5 that they were talking about... I don't know... too long ago (2004ish)

[quote name='mcnach' post='1098581' date='Jan 22 2011, 12:48 PM']The preamp on my SUB5 looks pretty much the same as the preamp on my 2002 2EQ Stingray. Cheaper components? I mean... *all* of the components are dead cheap! You can build a copy of that preamp for around £20-25 in all...[/quote] Somebody from Ernie Ball said that the preamps had different components on their forum a few years ago... I can't remember the exact wording.

With the SUB, you're getting a lot of what makes a real Stingray. They saved some money on a number of areas: * the body wood, using poplar instead of ash, although it is the case that a number of Stingrays in the early 90s (IIRC) were made from poplar. * the contouring * the finishing, the textured paint job allowing them to skip the polishing steps * the electronics... while the pickup is the same as on a Stingray (I believe), the preamp uses less expensive components than on a Stingray The bridge and (I think) the tuners are also unbranded... I don't know if they differ in any other way. The sound is pretty much spot on. I have a vague recollection that the output on the SUBs I've played was slightly less than on a Stingray, but I may be thinking of a passive SUB. I know what I would go for if I was after a Stingray on a budget.

[quote name='endorka' post='1097565' date='Jan 21 2011, 02:23 PM']Indeed! I gave this quite a bit of thought some time ago, where I came to the conclusion that a simple bassline is considered by many to be one that, for example, plays a simple rhythm using only root notes, or perhaps roots and fifths. Many bass players attempt to make this more apparently interesting by adding "fills", which in practice usually amounts to plodding along on the root note with the simple rhythm mentioned above, until they unleash a flurry of mid to upper register notes aptly described as a "widdle", before settling down to the simple root note pattern again. I have come to the conclusion that for the most part, these "fills" do not make a bassline any more interesting. Indeed, they can be annoying and musically irrelevant - listen to poorly executed jazz for good examples of this. You'll note that any gaps in the melody will be consumed by every single band member simultaneously contributing a "fill", and a cacophony ensues. It's as if they were all waiting for their chance to make a musical "Hello Mum!" statement, and indeed, that is exactly what they are doing. Needless to say, this is not a good approach to making music. In my opinion, the basslines that succeed the most in terms of making a musical statement, as opposed to those fulfilling a purely reinforcement role, are those that do not rely on "fills" to spice them up, but have interest built in. The aforementioned John McVie and James Jamerson are like this. Some others are Paul McCartney, Jack Bruce, Peter Hook, Geddy Lee, Pino Palladino. Mahler also wrote some great basslines :-) Jennifer[/quote] Excellent post.

I assume these are in a local shop as the OLPs are no longer made... have you had the chance to try them out? Which did you prefer? For what it's worth, I was never that impressed by the OLP basses, although I had an OLP baritone guitar that was fairly nice.

[quote name='4000' post='1097335' date='Jan 21 2011, 12:04 PM']Of course Jamerson springs to mind here too....is he considered too busy?[/quote] Believe it or not, by the 1970s and Motown's move from Detroit to Los Angeles, he was considered too busy by a lot of producers and had difficulty getting any session work.

[quote name='Grand Wazoo' post='1096032' date='Jan 20 2011, 09:44 AM']The one thing about this thread that's irritating, and which I declare is unparallel to my appreciation or less of the "gameboychanger" per-se is having to absorbe (by force feed) the spreading of the "EBMM QUARAN" from the fanbois off the ebmm forum, why must you? why here?. While one can entertain the thought of kissing Sterling Ball's ass in his forum, one must also realize that here, no one gives a peep, n'est pas?[/quote] You're suggesting that fans of EBMM instruments shouldn't get involved in EBMM threads on Basschat?

[quote name='Vibrating G String' post='1095878' date='Jan 20 2011, 12:57 AM']Yeah, they did. We also have a claim of 16 tonal variations with just 2 coils but that just may be hyperbolic inertia in the populace acting as a multiplier.[/quote] What [i]exactly[/i] did they say?

[quote name='Vibrating G String' post='1095864' date='Jan 20 2011, 12:41 AM']No need, it's already covered by basic science. What's the difference in 3+2 or 2+3? Hint: the difference is subtle but 3+2 gives a more solid 5 as it's building on a larger foundation and the 3 can support the 2 much better than the other way around leading to a more musical and round 5. More complex science has also shown that anyone who believes there will be a difference will hear it when given the visual cue. It's similar to the counting horses in a way.[/quote] I don't really have time to watch these videos, but I'm genuinely interested in what's upset you here. What exactly was said about the comparison between the two? What claims were EBMM making about the comparison between the two things (i.e. 1,2 in series as opposed to 2,1 in series)? Did they say you can or should be able to tell the difference between the two?

Bought a Trace Elliot 7210 combo off Neil... it took me half an hour to break through the cardboard and bubble wrap, so well-wrapped it was! The man is a scholar and a gentleman.

I'm after a Boss CE2... what would be a fair price to pay?

[quote name='Bloodaxe' post='1095264' date='Jan 19 2011, 03:20 PM']Broadly with you on this B5, but one thing that becomes readily apparent from hanging around TB is that the use of the 'W' word usually means 'shredder' or 'pointless over the top noodler' (as in the term 'fretw***ery'), & I suspect that this is what was implied & I make 'em right in that regard. He may be a gifted onanist as well, but that's his own business & I'm not going there.[/quote] Yep, 'w***ing' does not have the same meaning in the US. I think Bubinga5 mistook the level of insult that was intended.

[quote name='Schnozzalee' post='1095035' date='Jan 19 2011, 12:35 PM']Whats so great about adding a status neck to a stingray?? Sorry for hijacking![/quote] I had one for a while, an unlined Status neck: They were originally developed collaboratively with EBMM for the NAMM 100th aniversary Stingray, which is an amazing looking beast. Very stable tuning on the open notes... I can't really blame it for the tuning issues elsewhere! Quite a bright tone... I liked it, but my lack of ability on fretless led to its untimely departure.

[quote name='ezbass' post='1094857' date='Jan 19 2011, 10:02 AM']SUB for sale here [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=118775"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=118775[/url][/quote] That's a good price. If I hadn't just bought an amp, I'd be all over that.

Here's a helpful tip, if ever I've given one... Andy Rourke's basslines are extremely consistent... he comes up with great basslines and sticks to them. I've been through around fifty bootleg concert recordings and he plays the same thing every time* (with This Charming Man it's the single version) Sometimes the basslines are difficult to make out in the official recordings, but they can be easier now and then to hear in live recordings. [url="http://www.akiraware.com/mp3unloveable.php"]This bootleg[/url] has audio recordings from The Tube that are particularly useful. Compare Still Ill with the official recording for example. *There are occasional rearrangements of the songs, but the basslines remain the same for the most part.

[quote name='ezbass' post='1094128' date='Jan 18 2011, 05:26 PM']When it comes to the Stingray you have the choice of: US built EBMM Stingray available in 4 string with a choice of p/up configs (although most are the classic 1 humbucker variety) with either 2 or 3 band EQ. US built EBMM Stingray available in 5 string with a choice of p/up configs (again mostly with just the one humbucker) with 3 band EQ and 3 position coil/wiring selector.[/quote] It might be worth mentioning what the pickup options are: Stingray: Single H pickup, 2EQ Single H pickup, 3EQ Single H pickup, 3EQ + piezo (with blend control) Two H pickups, 3EQ H + S pickups, 3EQ Classic Stingray, which is a single H, 2EQ with 1970s styling Stingray5: All of the above apart from the 2EQ options. Early SR5s (pre 92) had alnico pickups, then they had ceramic pickups until 2008 when they switched back to alnico (the new Sterling 5 getting the ceramic pups) SUB4 passive H 2EQ active H 2EQ SUB5 passive H 2EQ active H 2EQ There's also the Stingray EX (mystery bass constructed in Japan a few years back) and the Sterling by MM thingies.

No sir, I didn't like it.

Essentially, they're somewhere between a Highway1 and US series instruments.

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